Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34004 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 2315 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Dec 2007 15:07:00 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 2299 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 15:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 15:07:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jani.taskinen@sci.fi; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jani.taskinen@sci.fi; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain sci.fi from 63.208.196.178 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jani.taskinen@sci.fi X-Host-Fingerprint: 63.208.196.178 mho-01-bos.mailhop.org Received: from [63.208.196.178] ([63.208.196.178:57967] helo=mho-01-bos.mailhop.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1E/EB-10047-29A41674 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:06:59 -0500 Received: from [81.22.163.71] (helo=[10.6.109.159]) by mho-01-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J2peJ-0002bD-Rf; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:06:56 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 81.22.163.71 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19cfvCgshnaLSZElvcaldZrTE9piUreciI= Reply-To: jani.taskinen@iki.fi To: Andrew Rose Cc: internals Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: <475F1984.603@chiaraquartet.net> <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4760227D.9050404@zend.com> <1197551283.27917.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47613538.1060308@wikimedia.org> <1197553571.27917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47613EEE.5090305@richgray.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:06:53 +0200 Message-ID: <1197558413.27917.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only From: jani.taskinen@sci.fi (Jani Taskinen) On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 14:56 +0000, Andrew Rose wrote: > list noise. The idea of shutting out anyone that's not a core dev is > impeding future generations of core developers when all this list > needs is a few people to moderate the noise, if indeed the consensus > is, it is too noisy. Any suggestions to make the list usable are welcome. But moderate it, who would have the time and interest? (I don't) > I'll be honest, I feel very hesitant about posting anything to this > list after what I've seen these first few days. Seriously, is that > the message you want to send to future devs Jani? If it makes people to think twice before pressing the "send" button, then yes please, hopefully the message gets through. > Anyway, I'm new around here, so what does my opinion matter ;) Opinions are like ***holes, everyone has one. :D --Jani