Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:34003 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 96313 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Dec 2007 14:56:12 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 96298 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 14:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 14:56:12 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rose.andrew@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rose.andrew@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 64.233.162.229 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rose.andrew@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.233.162.229 nz-out-0506.google.com Received: from [64.233.162.229] ([64.233.162.229:60670] helo=nz-out-0506.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 53/FA-10047-B0841674 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:56:12 -0500 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id x7so360565nzc.38 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:56:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xzrmUJmqGQBWxw2FdAPbCfvMyRe/tAa0TKEXPJVa4fg=; b=ipAgNhPq4za08fJGoNBk/Rk+JvevUymJb1uZWrc6AdvN63hwTgl6GXfoeleRhmaXosT5vFldC730C24HKW3gjqkQQAk9ThhYL7kKxyrHjVZGFx92WCAOuTAmZV1zVvKwHaC9oujlmDwq+Z9ka80EDd+sW5aXHGrPbrnoOhw9uOc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HfQV1BKX2P5yX7KhekGKPOFZFK/5PHIZ/lxsQIxO+cU5+lQ0MN9DoP26ph8rGIckLq1+tsgNaZYuRS9CZudKGjrV3T1mQgbmOmh28C8KwsTWtWSH/P2axtFyM7GxJdhNxTvCir7ls2uFj5VqSOC2K31++uT+OwtGssI8L9n1ZtY= Received: by 10.114.200.2 with SMTP id x2mr218368waf.19.1197557768019; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.240.19 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:56:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:56:07 +0000 To: "internals Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <47613EEE.5090305@richgray.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <475F1984.603@chiaraquartet.net> <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4760227D.9050404@zend.com> <1197551283.27917.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47613538.1060308@wikimedia.org> <1197553571.27917.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47613EEE.5090305@richgray.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only From: rose.andrew@gmail.com ("Andrew Rose") On 13/12/2007, rich gray wrote: > If this suggestion from Jani is supported then all I can say is WTF a > bunch of prima donnas you internals/core devs are ... You don't want to > listen to your users who are in most cases NOT technically ignorant and > are in the trenches using your product and trying to make a living? > AFAIK no-one has forced you to develop the PHP codebase - kitchen/heat > are two words that come to mind. BTW the 'delete' option on your email > client is usually quite easy to use if you feel too much > feedback/suggestions from your users is upsetting your fragile nirvana. > > PHP will go down the pan if you take that attitude .. remember it is > OPEN source > I could not agree more Rich. I joined this list a few days ago after starting to get into the core of PHP. Service to say I've not been that impressed by the developers seemingly knee jerk reactions to some list noise. The idea of shutting out anyone that's not a core dev is impeding future generations of core developers when all this list needs is a few people to moderate the noise, if indeed the consensus is, it is too noisy. I'll be honest, I feel very hesitant about posting anything to this list after what I've seen these first few days. Seriously, is that the message you want to send to future devs Jani? Anyway, I'm new around here, so what does my opinion matter ;) Andrew