Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:33995 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 68544 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Dec 2007 13:55:29 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 68528 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 13:55:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 13:55:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=marcot@tabini.ca; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=marcot@tabini.ca; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain tabini.ca from 206.190.36.78 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: marcot@tabini.ca X-Host-Fingerprint: 206.190.36.78 smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com Received: from [206.190.36.78] ([206.190.36.78:37696] helo=smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A8/86-10047-0D931674 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:55:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 85008 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 13:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.1.199?) (mtabini@rogers.com@99.235.191.149 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 13:55:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: G4iH4UIVM1mrnXZqydajbadS3Z5qS_kX7N7n83Krl4i2UUjP4NHbp6GE9LEFCvLOsw-- Cc: Derick Rethans , internals Mailing List , group@php.net Message-ID: To: jani.taskinen@iki.fi In-Reply-To: <1197551283.27917.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:55:25 -0500 References: <475F1984.603@chiaraquartet.net> <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4760227D.9050404@zend.com> <1197551283.27917.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Internals read-only (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review) From: marcot@tabini.ca (Marco Tabini) On 13-Dec-07, at 8:08 AM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 10:00 +0100, Derick Rethans wrote: >> To to get back to the point of the noise on the lists - it's >> getting out >> of hand, and I am afraid that if we don't solve this any time soon, >> the >> lists will be useless for any sort of decent discussion and promoting >> even more secret cults. > > There's already public list, it's called "php-general". So just > unsubscribe all people from this list and subscribe all @php.net > addies > only. I am just a lurker, so take this with the due grain of salt, but simply making internals@ read-only is just going to drive people to contact the core team members directly (thus likely *increasing* your blood pressure :-)). I think you need to provide people with some way of interacting without unleashing chaos on the development process; php-general, IMHO, is not the place for that kind of discussion, because people there are mostly looking for assistance with the use of PHP, rather than attempting to influence the development process. Mt.