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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon -
 final review
From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans)

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:

> > because it's impossible to discuss anything on internals without the 
> > noise coming from "outside"..? Could we finally make this list 
> > read-only for every one but the @php.net people? I get enough spam 
> > already, spam from this list is not something everyone should suffer 
> > from.
> 
> That's not the spam question. Talking directly to the person(s) is and 
> would always be better than sending mails to a public list, from a ton 
> of aspects. I see no reason to close the list, but I wouldn't expect 
> all the discussions to happen *only* on the list. Of course, important 
> things need to be discussed on the list, and they are.

Although I don't really care about this specific issue, I do think that 
all the "spam" on the list drives people quicker to private discussions. 
I do think that in most (if not all) cases where e-mail is used to 
discuss PHP issues, the lists should be used. Especially when it's about 
redoing, say, a database abstraction layer. Private discussions are not 
a good idea, for just as many reasons as you probably can up with for 
saying that "sending mails to the public list" is not a good idea. But 
this is an Open Source project, and transparency is very important. 
Lately this has been slipping away, which I think is very sad.

To to get back to the point of the noise on the lists - it's getting out 
of hand, and I am afraid that if we don't solve this any time soon, the 
lists will be useless for any sort of decent discussion and promoting 
even more secret cults.

regards,
Derick