Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:33979 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78079 invoked by uid 1010); 12 Dec 2007 18:03:47 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78063 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2007 18:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Dec 2007 18:03:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:56192] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E2/64-48275-28220674 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:03:47 -0500 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:03:43 +0200 Received: from [192.168.16.91] ([192.168.16.91]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:03:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4760227D.9050404@zend.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:03:41 -0800 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jani.taskinen@iki.fi CC: Gregory Beaver , internals Mailing List , group@php.net References: <475F1984.603@chiaraquartet.net> <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1197450581.27917.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2007 18:03:40.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[5367FEB0:01C83CE9] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > Nice to hear some work is done but I get very annoyed every time I see > the words "behind the scenes" (or something alike). I guess it was It is much more efficient to communicate in person (preferably physically, but can be phone, IM, chat, etc.) than to write semi-anonymous mails to public list. There's no decision that would be taken unannounced, and all CVS is public of course, but I see no point of making public each minute detail of each private discussion. Especially that most of that, until some kind of common ground is reached, is of no particular use to others. That's like requiring people to commit code to CVS every 5 minutes, even if it's not finished. > because it's impossible to discuss anything on internals without the > noise coming from "outside"..? Could we finally make this list read-only > for every one but the @php.net people? I get enough spam already, spam > from this list is not something everyone should suffer from. That's not the spam question. Talking directly to the person(s) is and would always be better than sending mails to a public list, from a ton of aspects. I see no reason to close the list, but I wouldn't expect all the discussions to happen *only* on the list. Of course, important things need to be discussed on the list, and they are. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com