Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:33778 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 5374 invoked by uid 1010); 5 Dec 2007 21:36:52 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 5359 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2007 21:36:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2007 21:36:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:60196] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 21/B3-12052-3F917574 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:36:52 -0500 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:36:48 +0200 Received: from [192.168.16.91] ([192.168.16.91]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:36:45 -0800 Message-ID: <475719ED.8050306@zend.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:36:45 -0800 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jochem Maas CC: Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <4755FB31.2050901@zend.com> <4756E3AF.2070703@zend.com> <4756EC80.1070500@iamjochem.com> <4756F146.3050306@zend.com> <4756F740.3060800@iamjochem.com> <4757060A.8040008@zend.com> <475713B2.4030802@iamjochem.com> In-Reply-To: <475713B2.4030802@iamjochem.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 21:36:45.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEB7AFE0:01C83786] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Namespace From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > implementation [details] not the concept. I believe that the implementation > needs a little ironing out ... what's the harm in taking the time to do this? > or at least taking the time to let consensus take hold? No harm, but we will have multiple namespaces per file figured out pretty soon, and I don't see any new developments with the braces thing, so what exactly would we wait for? > metrics that support your argument that namespaces will make code more > maintainable, offer better structure and cleaner code. Obviously, we can't have any metrics of anything until the namespaces are implemented and used in some serious project, which can't happen until we have a release with namespaces in it. > it remains nothing more than a pontential even after release. in the same For some time, yes. And if one chooses not to use it, maybe forever for that particular user. I'm all for discussing practical ones, but frankly I don't see any new issues here worth delaying anything. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com