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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Namespace
From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

> Stas, that is immature, rude, and completely uncalled for; fine, you are 
> frustrated with our questions and arguments. Comments like this creates 

What I'm frustrated with is not questions and arguments, but the same 
misconceptions about namespaces repeated over and over after it was 
explained multiple times it is just not what namespaces are and how they 
are supposed to be used. I value feedback and discussion a lot, however 
just repeating misconceptions about namespaces does not add anything to 
the discussion. I apologize if it come out too harsh, but I really wish 
people (not meaning you or anybody personally here, just in general 
about the recent discussions) would take some time to get acquainted 
with the subject and ask questions if necessary instead of just 
repeating wrong things and basing far-reaching conclusions (like "let's 
remove namespaces altogether") on misconceptions.

> offended by my misinformation. I, like you, am simply concerned with 
> people misusing this powerful feature in a way that causes more problems 
> for me as a developer and maintainer of PHP code.

I am concerned with this too. However I don't see any way to prevent 
misuse but education.

> care either way. So really, I don't think this issue is completely dead. 

There will always be people not satisfied with current solution. 
However, not seeing any new arguments, going in circles is just a waste 
of time.

> You are right. Despite my continued following of this list, I failed to 
> realize that the PHP docs included information on namespaces.

PHP manual does not have it yet - but PHP sources do have it. And these 
topic were also extensively discussed on the list. As for the manual, 
it's in works, so if you want to help with it you are welcome.

> namespaces in a single file would be very beneficial for the many 
> various reasons discussed on this list. Other than that, I truly feel 
> that the addition of namespaces is a great addition to the language. 

So there's just two issues you see so far - braces and multiple 
namespaces per file. The latter issue is still being discussed, so we 
are down to one. I'd say we are in a pretty good shape :)
-- 
Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect
stas@zend.com   http://www.zend.com/
(408)253-8829   MSN: stas@zend.com