Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:33662 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30804 invoked by uid 1010); 4 Dec 2007 17:57:23 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30789 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 17:57:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 17:57:23 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:22491] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id BD/B4-27173-20595574 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:57:23 -0500 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:57:19 +0200 Received: from [192.168.16.91] ([192.168.16.91]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:57:16 -0800 Message-ID: <475594FC.1060903@zend.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:57:16 -0800 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_B=E9rard-Nault?= CC: Gregory Beaver , internals Mailing List References: <4731278C.8020301@chiaraquartet.net> <4731F977.4080502@zend.com> <4753B087.4020206@chiaraquartet.net> <47548031.20608@zend.com> <30bd80240712031605y326d886fl6197839a60eeedcf@mail.gmail.com> <47559014.2070607@zend.com> <30bd80240712040944we67015ds3b86c4f9efeb266f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <30bd80240712040944we67015ds3b86c4f9efeb266f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 17:57:16.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B14B120:01C8369F] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] ignored patches From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > You are putting forward some hypothetical results. I want to know, for No I am not. > the benefit of the discussion, if you can prove the 5% figure you've > advanced. There's nothing to prove - I want to see the measure of improvement bundling provides on real-life applications. So far I have seen no facts on this, only on benchmarks - which is great, but experience teaches us specialized benchmarks behave radically different from real-life apps. 5% figure is nothing but other way of saying "I think the improvement would be small" - but of course, since I did not benchmark any, this figure and this opinion is meaningless. To make meaningful opinion, real benchmarks should be made. Unfortunately, I do not have any real applications working in "bundled" scenario. This is why I ask people that reportedly have this applications and benchmarked them, to help me. Answering "prove we didn't have them" doesn't help much. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com