Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:33658 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16204 invoked by uid 1010); 4 Dec 2007 17:28:39 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16189 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2007 17:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2007 17:28:39 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=r.borschel@gmx.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=r.borschel@gmx.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmx.net designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: r.borschel@gmx.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.165.64.20 mail.gmx.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [213.165.64.20] ([213.165.64.20:41580] helo=mail.gmx.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7A/A2-27173-54E85574 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:28:38 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Dec 2007 17:28:33 -0000 Received: from e178120114.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO [192.168.0.2]) [85.178.120.114] by mail.gmx.net (mp007) with SMTP; 04 Dec 2007 18:28:33 +0100 X-Authenticated: #13379417 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+2oLIA1He24JUMToGhXspkerP6dM6PWsJveLAacC 1baArrRaXaChSv Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <52dbac0f0712040900o5dc80b26keca60ef841843fd1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:28:32 +0100 References: <4731278C.8020301@chiaraquartet.net> <52dbac0f0712040809v64da917cic9aa803f9800f49b@mail.gmail.com> <475580D5.1010903@chiaraquartet.net> <52dbac0f0712040900o5dc80b26keca60ef841843fd1@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] ignored patches From: r.borschel@gmx.net (Roman Borschel) On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Martin Alterisio wrote: >> 2) I was under the impression namespaces were introduced to improve >> code >>> maintainability. Was I wrong? >> >> You are right. On the flip side, if you can't use your maintainable >> code because it is slow as molasses, that is a problem. > > > If that's the case, and if it was my problem, I'll be facing two > possibilities: > 1) I've chosen the wrong language or platform for this app > 2) I did a really poor design of the app where I either never took > performance into consideration, or my performance estimates where > completely > wrong. Of course the performance of the application itself and the performance of my code is the first place where i look. I dont shift this burden to php just because im lazy. As far as I understood it the patch that will support multiple namespaces/packages per file is a minor patch and the only argument against it were that it can lead to bad practices, with which i can't really agree as this argument could be used against many features. (If there are implementation issues which im not aware of then i'm sorry, i'm not that deep into php-dev). Thats why I don't really understand the whole trouble that is caused by this. Noone will force you to write bad code. Roman