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Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:23:49 -0000
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Providing Visual Studio 2005 builds (again)
From: steph@zend.com ("Steph Fox")

>> I think what is highly likely to happen over the next two years that
>> will change the situation is that XP usage will drop dramatically.
>
> Like, people would move to Vista en masse? Don't see it happening in next 
> two years. Why do it?

It will happen at some point because if you try to buy a new machine, _most_ 
of them come with Vista installed. It won't be very long before they _all_ 
have Vista installed.

>> This year, though, you can still buy brand new machines with XP
>> installed, and that's without ticking any 'special option'. Companies
>
> And that would continue for a couple of years at least, because Vista 
> support among hardware makers... how to say it mildly... leaves a lot to 
> be desired. Anyway, conditioning having fast PHP binary on Vista sales 
> doesn't look the best idea to me.

Funny - it looks like sound thinking to me, since the fast PHP binary isn't 
supported by the platform otherwise.

>> php.net shipping MS C runtime libraries to make good our (implied)
>> promise. It's one thing to offer support for a platform, but entirely
>> another to tie our software to a third-party library that effectively
>
> Microsoft is not third-party. Microsoft is OS provider.

Third-party as in 'php.net didn't write it'.

>> upgrades that platform. It also ties us - and all PHP/Windows users -
>> irrevocably to the MS development schedule.
>
> Didn't you just propose to tie PHP releases and all Windows users to 
> whenever Vista becomes most of the market?

That's not the same thing as the development schedule. I think MS would 
agree with that :)

> I think we just need to find a way to build and release a set of good fast 
> binaries.

... that won't run out of the box.

> -- 
> Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect
> stas@zend.com   http://www.zend.com/
> (408)253-8829   MSN: stas@zend.com