Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:33116 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 54598 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Nov 2007 22:23:35 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 54583 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2007 22:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Nov 2007 22:23:35 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:65137] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 12/5E-55670-5E32A374 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:23:35 -0500 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:23:30 +0200 Received: from [192.168.16.91] ([192.168.16.91]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:23:26 -0800 Message-ID: <473A23DF.3080506@zend.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:23:27 -0800 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steph@zend.com CC: Andi Gutmans , Elizabeth Smith , internals@lists.php.net, edin@krug.dk References: <02.DE.09095.25988374@pb1.pair.com> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CEE8A7F6@us-ex1.zend.net> <4739E2F1.2020203@zend.com> <4739E524.2060702@zend.com> <4739E813.7000005@zend.com> <4739F386.7000006@zend.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2007 22:23:26.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF716A80:01C82643] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Providing Visual Studio 2005 builds (again) From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > I think what is highly likely to happen over the next two years that > will change the situation is that XP usage will drop dramatically. Like, people would move to Vista en masse? Don't see it happening in next two years. Why do it? > This year, though, you can still buy brand new machines with XP > installed, and that's without ticking any 'special option'. Companies And that would continue for a couple of years at least, because Vista support among hardware makers... how to say it mildly... leaves a lot to be desired. Anyway, conditioning having fast PHP binary on Vista sales doesn't look the best idea to me. > php.net shipping MS C runtime libraries to make good our (implied) > promise. It's one thing to offer support for a platform, but entirely > another to tie our software to a third-party library that effectively Microsoft is not third-party. Microsoft is OS provider. > upgrades that platform. It also ties us - and all PHP/Windows users - > irrevocably to the MS development schedule. Didn't you just propose to tie PHP releases and all Windows users to whenever Vista becomes most of the market? I think we just need to find a way to build and release a set of good fast binaries. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com