Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:33110 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 87479 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Nov 2007 18:01:56 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 87464 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2007 18:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Nov 2007 18:01:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=otherbird@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=otherbird@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 66.249.92.169 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: otherbird@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.249.92.169 ug-out-1314.google.com Received: from [66.249.92.169] ([66.249.92.169:26532] helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AF/D4-55670-F86E9374 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:01:53 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id h3so148722ugf for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:01:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=eKsQz2tmfB5kjdK+RULAo9+jEt4KKfY+UxSk5CRS11Q=; b=Y0LgeqIIsgYHDnGlkAGdZ4WLSrFeLbiHavBirv9Q/+0EC4QPtnBMp9xrInpaks+RQvmEkM0JrL5k3j+ewxUDU1LYZaFM4h7ia+P0Id4NztaJ1EDX+iQQ99kWkO9nHNTix0LvL5prUSuxlz2IvWUSdEL9Olz71gz6Hz75hqX7t3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iHUDVhIBtwMc55gmwXjXEfOkSEQmhSMOeqM/uvvWTMxqlnit6uxhLV+MCfcp/XSVArbL1ry5rMK8CvLfjwvP5RipTkaPKYnEUn3R9xo3N0j586P8EkNVQvAKOAVrZgYRXa4CP+1HFAtNvCfjOM0/7USNqTDN8AUi3Ig6EJwlkv0= Received: by 10.150.196.5 with SMTP id t5mr1202512ybf.1194976900026; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.74.13 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:01:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:01:39 +0000 Reply-To: steph@zend.com Sender: otherbird@gmail.com To: "Stanislav Malyshev" Cc: "Andi Gutmans" , "Elizabeth Smith" , internals@lists.php.net, edin@krug.dk In-Reply-To: <4739E524.2060702@zend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <02.DE.09095.25988374@pb1.pair.com> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CEE8A7F6@us-ex1.zend.net> <4739E2F1.2020203@zend.com> <4739E524.2060702@zend.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1193bd5e1a8fb212 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Providing Visual Studio 2005 builds (again) From: steph@zend.com ("Steph Fox") Truth now Stas, did you read to the end of my mail? I wasn't suggesting we *never* upgrade. I was suggesting there are better ways to do it than alienating our user base. On Nov 13, 2007 5:55 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > > Yes, but we aren't talking about going to the next one up. We're > > talking about going to one that's a bit too recent and won't work out > > of the box for everybody. > > If we are going to move forward, it makes sense to move forward to the > best one today, not trade "very slow" to "a bit faster, but still slow". > If we go through upgrade trouble, we better have something to earn from > it. As for "out of the box for everybody" - we may keep the old build > for releases (I wouldn't do it for snapshots - if you want bleeding > edge, don't run windows 95 ;) at least for 5.x, but we can't > realistically drag all the history of computing behind us forever. > > VC2005 compatibility pack has these requirements: > Windows 2000 Service Pack 3; Windows 98; Windows 98 Second Edition; > Windows ME; Windows Server 2003; Windows XP Service Pack 2 > > I think it's reasonable to expect most of the people would fit one of these. > -- > > Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect > stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ > (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >