Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:33109 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 85763 invoked by uid 1010); 13 Nov 2007 17:55:57 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 85748 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2007 17:55:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Nov 2007 17:55:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:30949] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A4/94-55670-C25E9374 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:55:57 -0500 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:55:53 +0200 Received: from [192.168.16.91] ([192.168.16.91]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:55:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4739E524.2060702@zend.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:55:48 -0800 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steph@zend.com CC: Andi Gutmans , Elizabeth Smith , internals@lists.php.net, edin@krug.dk References: <02.DE.09095.25988374@pb1.pair.com> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CEE8A7F6@us-ex1.zend.net> <4739E2F1.2020203@zend.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2007 17:55:47.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BB33480:01C8261E] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Providing Visual Studio 2005 builds (again) From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > Yes, but we aren't talking about going to the next one up. We're > talking about going to one that's a bit too recent and won't work out > of the box for everybody. If we are going to move forward, it makes sense to move forward to the best one today, not trade "very slow" to "a bit faster, but still slow". If we go through upgrade trouble, we better have something to earn from it. As for "out of the box for everybody" - we may keep the old build for releases (I wouldn't do it for snapshots - if you want bleeding edge, don't run windows 95 ;) at least for 5.x, but we can't realistically drag all the history of computing behind us forever. VC2005 compatibility pack has these requirements: Windows 2000 Service Pack 3; Windows 98; Windows 98 Second Edition; Windows ME; Windows Server 2003; Windows XP Service Pack 2 I think it's reasonable to expect most of the people would fit one of these. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com