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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] substr/array_slice in []
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Antony,

Saturday, October 6, 2007, 8:49:14 PM, you wrote:

> On 06.10.2007 22:38, Larry Garfield wrote:
>> I have no love for Perl (and a rather strong dislike of it), but I have to 
>> agree with those who say that "looks like Perl" is a lame reason to reject 
>> something.  PHP's object system looks an awful lot like Java, too.  That 
>> doesn't make it bad.  
>> 
>> "Too unreadable", "not approachable enough", "too inflexible", etc. are 
>> perfectly valid reasons to reject a syntax.  "Looks like <insert language 
>> here>" is not, I content, one of them.

> I believe it should be pretty clear that "too perlish" means "too cryptic 
> and makes no sense because it duplicates already implemented functionality
> (more than one way to do it, yeah)".

> But "too perlish" is much shorter.

Right, it is a term we somehow agreed on without ever saying so.

Best regards,
 Marcus