Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:32713 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33224 invoked by uid 1010); 9 Oct 2007 10:01:36 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33206 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2007 10:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Oct 2007 10:01:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1:18744]) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ECSTREAM id 8B/19-04247-D715B074 for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:01:33 -0400 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stefan.walk@physik.tu-darmstadt.de; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stefan.walk@physik.tu-darmstadt.de; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain physik.tu-darmstadt.de from 62.75.137.136 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stefan.walk@physik.tu-darmstadt.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 62.75.137.136 fuer-et.de Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [62.75.137.136] ([62.75.137.136:55595] helo=eve.fuer-et.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A9/58-04247-63E4B074 for ; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 05:47:35 -0400 Received: from [130.83.3.29] (itchy.iap.physik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.3.29]) by eve.fuer-et.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC1D9F1C754; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <470B4E32.2020703@physik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:47:30 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antony Dovgal CC: "Ford, Mike" , internals@lists.php.net References: <93ED589E60BA254F97435FE6C97F2C672DE125@leedsmet-exch1.leedsmet.ac.uk> <470B45E1.1030403@daylessday.org> In-Reply-To: <470B45E1.1030403@daylessday.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] substr/array_slice in [] From: stefan.walk@physik.tu-darmstadt.de (Stefan Walk) Antony Dovgal wrote: > Right, so let's force other people to learn crappy unreadable syntax > duplicating nice and clear function call Oddly, this "crappy unreadable syntax" doesn't lead to any confusion or complaints for newbies of languages like python or ruby, judging from the IRC channels. And it's also odd that ruby users, where String#[] is just an alias for String#slice, prefer this "crappy unreadable syntax" over a "nice and clear" method call. One starts to wonder ... Regards, Stefan