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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] VS 2005 Support for 5.3?
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Andi,

  as far as I heard from from MS that is the much better way anyhow.

marcus

Thursday, October 4, 2007, 5:43:55 AM, you wrote:

> Another option which isn't always ideal is to use FastCGI and de-couple Apache and PHP.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:wrowe@rowe-clan.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:45 PM
>> To: Andi Gutmans
>> Cc: Nuno Lopes; Pierre; Marcus Boerger; PHP Internals List; Rob
>> Richards; Frank M. Kromann; Edin Kadribasic; Dmitry Stogov
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] VS 2005 Support for 5.3?
>> 
>> Andi Gutmans wrote:
>> > Although it may work for you with your applications unless all of
>> your
>> > 3rd party libs are compiled with VS 2005 there's a fair chance that
>> > you'll have issues when data structures are passed between PHP which
>> is
>> > compiled against one CRT lib to DLLs which were compiled with older
>> > versions (different size of structures, etc...)
>> 
>> Or more to the point, localized resources that actually exist in one
>> CRT
>> which aren't visible to the other CRT.  Faux-posix I/O that MS
>> implements
>> is a really good example of this.
>> 
>> If you are building to Apache httpd binaries /as shipped by the ASF/,
>> you
>> will want to ship these in VC6 for the lifespan of httpd 2.0/2.2.  As
>> the
>> corner turns over to httpd 2.4 sometime soon, there's a good chance
>> that
>> VS2005 will be picked up at that point (and stay there for it's
>> lifetime).
>> I doubt ASF will pick up VS2008 quickly, given the number of clib
>> issues
>> that occur in each iteration of the libraries.
>> 
>> One trouble is that AS still ships Perl built on VC6 runtime, Python on
>> the VS2003 runtime, etc etc.  Until everyone can land on VS2005 at the
>> same approximate time, it's a game of cat and mouse.
>> 
>> [We won't go into the lack of wisdom of MS shipping yet-another-clib
>> for each of their compiler versions.]
>> 
>> If you just clean up the .pdb's to the point that they import cleanly,
>> you can really keep everyone happy, today and tomorrow.  When you ditch
>> the .pdb's, it's no longer possible to export .mak build files at all
>> for use outside of the studio-world.




Best regards,
 Marcus