Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:32346 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74916 invoked by uid 1010); 16 Sep 2007 18:35:38 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74901 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 18:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 18:35:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:43434] helo=mx1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 56/A5-42628-8777DE64 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:35:37 -0400 Received: from us-ex1.zend.com ([192.168.16.5]) by mx1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:35:36 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.17.87]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:35:32 -0700 Message-ID: <46ED776F.9080500@zend.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:35:27 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ilia Alshanetsky CC: Lukas Kahwe Smith , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <1F69D3A2-0020-4B78-8B78-F4EE483ECC5D@prohost.org> <46EC6830.5060603@zend.com> <46ED4585.3070608@pooteeweet.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2007 18:35:32.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D2A2290:01C7F890] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary) From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > Lukas has a good point about the "0" votes, however if there are niche > features most people don't really care/know about that in itself means > that there is not much support for said functionality. IMHO the point of There's a difference. Let't take two features which got similar voting record - -fvisibility and "strict classes". I think these things are redically different. First is the small build change that would not change anything in the language and will not influence anybody except PHP extensions builders, where it can provide small benefit. Second changes the language and adds a feature which is controversial - some think it adds much needed capabilities, while other think it goes contrary to the very spirit of the language. Clearly these are not equal. While the first can be implemented with little impact the second needs much more consideration and I think it can't be decided by simple voting. So while I think making list and voting is great, I think we shouldn't replace good old per-case consideration and discussion with arithmetics. If we have clear winners and losers, it's fine, but in between we still need to hear the case. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com