Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:32340 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57598 invoked by uid 1010); 16 Sep 2007 17:09:48 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57567 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2007 17:09:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Sep 2007 17:09:48 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=helly@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=helly@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 85.214.94.56 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: helly@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.214.94.56 aixcept.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.214.94.56] ([85.214.94.56:46657] helo=h1149922.serverkompetenz.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FF/B2-42628-A536DE64 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:09:47 -0400 Received: from MBOERGER-ZRH.corp.google.com (4-182.63-81.stat.fixnetdata.ch [81.63.182.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h1149922.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531A81B3652; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:09:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:09:43 +0200 Reply-To: Marcus Boerger X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1946594050.20070916190943@marcus-boerger.de> To: "Steph Fox" CC: "Ilia Alshanetsky" , "Lukas Kahwe Smith" , "Stanislav Malyshev" , "PHP Developers Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <016401c7f883$5eeb6d80$4501a8c0@foxbox> References: <1F69D3A2-0020-4B78-8B78-F4EE483ECC5D@prohost.org> <46EC6830.5060603@zend.com> <46ED4585.3070608@pooteeweet.org> <012701c7f87c$59a3ab00$4501a8c0@foxbox> <191696442.20070916184743@marcus-boerger.de> <016401c7f883$5eeb6d80$4501a8c0@foxbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary) From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger) Hello Steph, I did neither meant to dictate anything nor did I said never.... ...and pure lack of interest belongs into democracy, so if we go that route we have to accept that route :-) If not we can proceed as we did in the past. Have votings and politics but in the end ignoring decisions anyway. marcus Sunday, September 16, 2007, 7:02:28 PM, you wrote: > Mmm... but that means dictating which features can or can't go into an > extension or a specific build system purely on the level of outside interest > in them. That's the main problem here. > The three contentious items, I'd probably (reluctantly) agree with you. > - Steph > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcus Boerger" > To: "Steph Fox" > Cc: "Ilia Alshanetsky" ; "Lukas Kahwe Smith" > ; "Stanislav Malyshev" ; "PHP Developers > Mailing List" > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary) >> Hello Steph, >> >> speakin as a looser - we should keep what we just decided on and do it. >> Do it as in work on it. As in code. As in no more politics for the moment. >> >> marcus >> >> Sunday, September 16, 2007, 6:12:14 PM, you wrote: >> >>> Hi Ilia, >> >>> If it helps any we can count everything else in and just look at the ones >>> that failed: >> >>> No quorum: >>> ====================== >>> Switch for disabling/enabling materialized cursors in mysqli - 25/28 no >>> vote, 3 positive votes >>> Merge the GCC 4 -fvisibility patch - 20/28 no vote, 7 positive votes, 1 >>> negative vote >> >>> Voting anomalies: >>> ================ >>> Introduce concept of "strict classes" that do not permit dynamic property >>> creation - 12/28 no vote, 12 positive, 4 negative >>> Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch - 13/28 no vote, 11 >>> positive, 4 negative >>> Link phar extension from PECL into core - 12/28 no vote, 11 positive, 5 >>> negative >> >>> Definitely out: >>> ============== >>> Remove safe_mode, register_globals and magic_quotes - 6/28 no vote, 4 >>> positive, 18 negative >> >>> I think it's probably fair to say that the mysqli-specific issue >>> shouldn't >>> be on this agenda in the first place, and the GCC 4 patch most likely >>> failed >>> because those that aren't directly affected by it don't understand it >>> enough >>> to vote over it. >> >>> That leaves just three features that fail under your voting system but >>> might >>> pass under others. The question is whether those three are up for debate >>> now, or later. >> >>> - Steph >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ilia Alshanetsky" >>> To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" >>> Cc: "Stanislav Malyshev" ; "PHP Developers Mailing List" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary) >> >> >>>> >>>> On 16-Sep-07, at 11:02 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: >>>>>> On 15-Sep-07, at 7:18 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> NP ;-) Btw the detailed breakdown of the votes is available here >>>>>> http://bb.prohost.org/53Features.pdf >>>>> >>>>> I have taken the data from this PDF and slightly reworked things [1] >>>>> so >>>>> that its easy to see which topics got more attention with votes than >>>>> others. I think its critical to understand that several items were >>>>> hard >>>>> for the general community to vote on because of lack of expertise (as >>>>> noted in several votes). As such I find it questionable to apply a +10 >>>>> threshold on all items. >>>>> >>>>> Furthermore I ask everybody to review if his vote was interpreted as >>>>> they wanted in Ilia's PDF. Some people made their votes conditional, >>>>> which is not supported by the formats chosen for tallying up the >>>>> votes. >>>> >>>> Lukas has a good point about the "0" votes, however if there are niche >>>> features most people don't really care/know about that in itself means >>>> that there is not much support for said functionality. IMHO the point >>>> of >>>> the vote was to identify KEY features general community (developers & >>>> users) would like to see in 5.3, not to introduce feature creep, which >>>> re-enumeration of the vote does to some extent, please keep that mind >>>> when reviewing the #s. Additionally, remember that 5.3 is a "minor" >>>> release and is not the most appropriate platform for "anything & >>>> everything" inclusion. >>>> >>>> Ilia Alshanetsky >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >>>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>>> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> Marcus >> >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> Best regards, Marcus