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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello Steph,

  speakin as a looser - we should keep what we just decided on and do it.
Do it as in work on it. As in code. As in no more politics for the moment.

marcus

Sunday, September 16, 2007, 6:12:14 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Ilia,

> If it helps any we can count everything else in and just look at the ones 
> that failed:

> No quorum:
> ======================
> Switch for disabling/enabling materialized cursors in mysqli - 25/28 no 
> vote, 3 positive votes
> Merge the GCC 4 -fvisibility patch - 20/28 no vote, 7 positive votes, 1 
> negative vote

> Voting anomalies:
> ================
> Introduce concept of "strict classes" that do not permit dynamic property 
> creation - 12/28 no vote, 12 positive, 4 negative
> Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch - 13/28 no vote, 11 
> positive, 4 negative
> Link phar extension from PECL into core - 12/28 no vote, 11 positive, 5 
> negative

> Definitely out:
> ==============
> Remove safe_mode, register_globals and magic_quotes - 6/28 no vote, 4 
> positive, 18 negative

> I think it's probably fair to say that the mysqli-specific issue shouldn't 
> be on this agenda in the first place, and the GCC 4 patch most likely failed
> because those that aren't directly affected by it don't understand it enough
> to vote over it.

> That leaves just three features that fail under your voting system but might
> pass under others. The question is whether those three are up for debate 
> now, or later.

> - Steph

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ilia Alshanetsky" <ilia@prohost.org>
> To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" <mls@pooteeweet.org>
> Cc: "Stanislav Malyshev" <stas@zend.com>; "PHP Developers Mailing List" 
> <internals@lists.php.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 Suggested Feature List (Summary)


>>
>> On 16-Sep-07, at 11:02 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
>>>> On 15-Sep-07, at 7:18 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
>>>
>>>> NP ;-) Btw the detailed breakdown of the votes is available here 
>>>> http://bb.prohost.org/53Features.pdf
>>>
>>> I have taken the data from this PDF and slightly reworked things  [1] so 
>>> that its easy to see which topics got more attention with  votes than 
>>> others. I think its critical to understand that several  items were hard 
>>> for the general community to vote on because of  lack of expertise (as 
>>> noted in several votes). As such I find it  questionable to apply a +10 
>>> threshold on all items.
>>>
>>> Furthermore I ask everybody to review if his vote was interpreted  as 
>>> they wanted in Ilia's PDF. Some people made their votes  conditional, 
>>> which is not supported by the formats chosen for  tallying up the votes.
>>
>> Lukas has a good point about the "0" votes, however if there are  niche 
>> features most people don't really care/know about that in  itself means 
>> that there is not much support for said functionality.  IMHO the point of 
>> the vote was to identify KEY features general  community (developers & 
>> users) would like to see in 5.3, not to  introduce feature creep, which 
>> re-enumeration of the vote does to  some extent, please keep that mind 
>> when reviewing the #s.  Additionally, remember that 5.3 is a "minor" 
>> release and is not the  most appropriate platform for "anything & 
>> everything" inclusion.
>>
>> Ilia Alshanetsky
>>
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Best regards,
 Marcus