Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:32124 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72898 invoked by uid 1010); 8 Sep 2007 23:56:11 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72883 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2007 23:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Sep 2007 23:56:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=shire@facebook.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=shire@facebook.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain facebook.com designates 204.15.23.140 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: shire@facebook.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 204.15.23.140 fw-sf2p.facebook.com Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [204.15.23.140] ([204.15.23.140:21855] helo=SF2PMXF01.TheFacebook.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C1/DB-07479-89633E64 for ; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:56:10 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([69.63.176.115]) by SF2PMXF01.TheFacebook.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:57:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <46E2CE70.4040907@daylessday.org> References: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CEA2ABE1@us-ex1.zend.net> <46E2CE70.4040907@daylessday.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: Cc: Andi Gutmans , internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:55:57 -0700 To: Antony Dovgal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2007 23:57:50.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[10311A10:01C7F274] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Patch for macros for tracking refcount and is_ref From: shire@facebook.com (shire) On Sep 8, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Antony Dovgal wrote: > > If these companies really do worry about this %, why don't they > participate in development and/or testing? > I don't recall seeing any contributions or even feedback from > Facebook or alike, do you? > > If they wait for a release to test and complain, then I couldn't > care less - it's just a common > development process, bugs come and bugs go, I see no reasons why we > should make an exception for > a company that doesn't give a damn about us. I realize that this conversation isn't really about Facebook, but while it's been brought up I'd like to step in and say that Facebook is *very* interested in helping with PHP development and other open source projects. We are always trying to run the latest CVS or RC versions to make sure we don't find any problems or performance losses (although we do occasionally fall behind which is unfortunate for us). If there are any new patches that the developers think we could help test out for performance and stability I'm very happy to do so. There have been a handful small contributions to APC, PHP, and others, and I'm excited that we get to work on these projects and I hope myself and others at Facebook will be able to continue to make useful contributions. I'm also grateful for the contributions others have made here, and I hope Facebook and myself can establish itself as an entity dedicated to giving back as well. If you have other questions or suggestions please feel free to email me, I know I've limited my posts here so as not to add anything unnecessary but we are here and ready to help. Thanks, -shire Facebook Inc. shire@facebook.com