Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:32061 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53270 invoked by uid 1010); 5 Sep 2007 10:01:26 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53245 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2007 10:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Sep 2007 10:01:25 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=hartmut@mysql.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=hartmut@mysql.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain mysql.com from 213.136.52.68 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: hartmut@mysql.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.136.52.68 mailgate-out2.mysql.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [213.136.52.68] ([213.136.52.68:38414] helo=mailgate.mysql.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EF/55-18766-C6E7ED64 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:01:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.mysql.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l85A0gBc032204; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:00:42 +0200 Received: from mail.mysql.com ([10.222.1.99]) by localhost (mailgate.mysql.com [10.222.1.98]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id 24157-06; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:00:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.100.64.53] (10-100-64-53.mysql.internal [10.100.64.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.mysql.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l85A0bS4031675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:00:38 +0200 Message-ID: <46DE7E49.5070208@mysql.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:00:41 +0200 Organization: MySQL AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20061211 SeaMonkey/1.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BuildSmart CC: PHP Developers Mailing List References: <20CECB37-7174-498C-85EA-A862923E594D@daleenterprise.com> <1188809931.3317.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46DC0FFC.9040403@mysql.com> <4AA18585-8F96-4A6E-A990-E5FAD0DECA7E@daleenterprise.com> <46DC5EB6.8020805@mysql.com> <925E216E-7B66-4D68-956B-042C1422FE90@daleenterprise.com> <0C276E60-3C18-4A4A-943A-DC58A05FD557@daleenterprise.com> <46DD575F.6070004@mysql.com> <46DD9EE7.6010206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailgate.mysql.com Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] buildconf and the generated configure script for PHP6 is faulty [the fix]. From: hartmut@mysql.com (Hartmut Holzgraefe) Hello Mr B*S* > The complaints over the 4 or 5 I have mentioned on the list has borne=20 > the remarks that I swamp the list with the reports, how it would be if = I=20 > dumped a couple hundred? if you dumped them on the list you would end up in everyones ignore list as *the list is not the right communication channel for that* If the bug system is not the right place to put things then nothing is. Is this really so hard to understand? > To disregard the perception of the PHP software and it's developers is = a=20 > stoic thought concept, since you have no issues accepting the concept=20 > that the majority of end users believe that the PHP software is a=20 > collection of cruft managed by a group of pompous programmers doesn't=20 > mean that the other developers share in this concept, image in a=20 > web-related world has value whether you give it any or not so airing=20 > everything isn't always the best policy. Talking about image, why are you trying *so* hard to ruin your own? > Rather than contribute to any negative thoughts and impressions that=20 > would be attained by submitting countless bug reports=20 How do bug reports contribute to a negative impression? There is no bug free software. And having the known bugs tracked in the open instead of somewhere under the hood is is actually building trust instead of demolishing it IMHO > that would take months if not years to process Did you try? where does this estimate come from? I see a lot of claims in your postings but only very little fact it is built upon > or most likely just be ignored,=20 One of the things that influences whether a bug is ignored or taken serious is the attitude of the reporter, too. Things that do not help with that: - Insisting to push things to the wrong communication channels - revealing the actual fix you claim to have only several messages down the thread instead of right away - not providing version information up front ... yes, the autoconf version you were using was to be found in the post somewhere ... but you ignored a very simple and substantial rule that applies to all forms of one-to-many communication: "the burden shall be on the writer, not the readers" > I believe=20 > it's best to refrain from such submission unless it's absolutely critic= al. well, if you think so ... > This is going absolutely nowhere, I'm dropping out of this discussion > to avoid retaliations due to bruised egos. Has there been a discussion? At least from your side it was mostly flaming IMHO. Anyway, i agree that this is not getting us anywhere. You've clearly shown that you want to have it your way and are not willing to adapt in any way ... --=20 Hartmut Holzgraefe, Principal Support Engineer . Discover new MySQL Monitoring & Advisory features at: http://www.mysql.com/products/enterprise/whats_new.html Hauptsitz: MySQL GmbH, Dachauer Str.37, 80335 M=FCnchen Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Kaj Arn=F6 - HRB M=FCnchen 162140