Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:31934 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1011 invoked by uid 1010); 27 Aug 2007 10:18:59 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 995 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2007 10:18:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Aug 2007 10:18:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=helly@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=helly@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 85.214.94.56 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: helly@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.214.94.56 aixcept.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.214.94.56] ([85.214.94.56:39678] helo=h1149922.serverkompetenz.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C1/79-43728-115A2D64 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:18:58 -0400 Received: from dhcp-172-30-11-180.zrh.corp.google.com (unknown [216.239.55.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h1149922.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9EA1B361F; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:18:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:18:53 +0200 Reply-To: Marcus Boerger X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1652538628.20070827121853@marcus-boerger.de> To: Lukas Kahwe Smith CC: PHP Developers Mailing List In-Reply-To: <46D299AE.6000404@pooteeweet.org> References: <46D299AE.6000404@pooteeweet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What should be in 5.3? From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger) Hello Lukas, I added 'MFH namespace' to the TODO list. Otherwise I am fine. For the given amount of stuff with my name on it I'd need some time though. marcus Monday, August 27, 2007, 11:30:22 AM, you wrote: > Hi, > In the spirit of forwards compabitility I think the 5.3 release will we > very important regardless if we keep or remove the unicode switch in > PHP6. From my POV 5.1 and 5.2 have mainly covered stability and > performance improvements on top of the addition of several important > extensions like PDO, Json etc. > In terms of changes to the actual language the main thing that sticks in > my head where things like E_STRICT and is_a vs. instanceOf. So now with > 5.3 we might want to look ahead towards PHP6 and make sure that we add > whatever makes sense to have in 5.x that will ease the life for people > writing forward compatible code for PHP6. It might also be a chance to > revisit the question of how we want to approach strictness and deprecation. > Forward compatibility: > - binary cast > - namespaces > - ... > Strictness: > - What is our philisophy, is OO more strict than procedural or is there > no such differntiation? I remember the discussions about dynamic member > variables, number incrementing throwing notices inconsistently, > signature rewriting. I fear I am opening a can of worms with this one. > Although I disagree with the bulk of the decisions on this topic in the > past I am not trying to reopen the discussions, I just hope to get a > clearer definition on our philosiphie for future discussions > Deprecation: > - Split of deprecation from E_STRICT > - Rule for deprecation > See the todo wiki for some hints on things currently planned (or that I > heard people thinking about planning): > http://oss.backendmedia.com/PhP53 > http://oss.backendmedia.com/PhP60 > regards, > Lukas Best regards, Marcus