Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:31775 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 80293 invoked by uid 1010); 21 Aug 2007 06:39:45 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 80278 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2007 06:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Aug 2007 06:39:45 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.94.239.5 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.94.239.5 jdi.jdi-ict.nl Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.94.239.5] ([82.94.239.5:35641] helo=jdi.jdi-ict.nl) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 40/65-36574-EA88AC64 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:39:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdi.jdi-ict.nl (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7L6dYMp026396; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:39:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:39:35 +0200 (CEST) X-X-Sender: derick@kossu.ez.no To: Andi Gutmans cc: Andrei Zmievski , Lukas Kahwe Smith , Antony Dovgal , Rasmus Lerdorf , PHP Developers Mailing List In-Reply-To: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE92D7E2@us-ex1.zend.net> Message-ID: References: <1181829227.3478.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <468E1158.2030900@lerdorf.com> <468E13C6.1070109@pooteeweet.org> <468E2009.9000703@zend.com> <10845a340707060432h6516ea5eja0995dbc974baa0a@mail.gmail.com> <468E2A9C.8030704@zend.com> <10845a340707060454t24a854dfu93aad454dd1f37ed@mail.gmail.com> <468E2F78.9090002@pooteeweet.org> <10845a340707060509u70152abctf1801324be490ed1@mail.gmail.com> <468E400E.6060005@e-novative.de> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE92D7B0@us-ex1.zend.net> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE92D7E2@us-ex1.zend.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6? From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Derick Rethans wrote: > > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > > > > No I'm absolutely not OK with removing this switch and as we currently > > > did most of the implementation for it and are maintaining it I see no > > > reason to remove it. 95% of our users couldn't care less about native > > > Unicode support except for the performance hit they'd take due to the > > > slower functions and increased memory usage. For most of them they gain > > > nothing and only loose. > > > Anyway, don't want to reignite the thread here. I will take it offline > > > to discuss with the people who have been involved in this project and > > > discuss further. The mailing list here isn't exactly working. > > > > What makes you think that any other group can agree on this? > > I don't think it's a matter of agreeing but rather we can try and > figure out how to get out of this stale mate. This includes going down > the path I suggested which includes doing some more homework to figure > this out. [snip] > Anyway, as I suggested, let's do more homework. We started and it > wasn't a pretty sight. But still lots to do. There seem to be enough > passionate people on this list to actually port 3-4 apps over and give > us some more input on the answers we really need. And the homework being porting applications to see if this works? In order to find all the issues you'd need a fairly big application and there would be nobody willing to port 100.000 LoC just to see whether it works. regards, Derick PS. and ffs, can you please stop the top posting and the mangling of quoted text? I assume us as technies can deal with e-mail in a sensible way. -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org