Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:31660 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 31525 invoked by uid 1010); 16 Aug 2007 23:31:00 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 31506 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2007 23:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Aug 2007 23:31:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=sfl@scotfl.ca; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=sfl@scotfl.ca; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain scotfl.ca does not designate 24.71.223.10 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: sfl@scotfl.ca X-Host-Fingerprint: 24.71.223.10 shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net Received: from [24.71.223.10] ([24.71.223.10:19802] helo=pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F8/B0-25402-23ED4C64 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:31:00 -0400 Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JMW00GII3Z6BFD0@l-daemon> for internals@lists.php.net; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml10so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.80]) by pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JMW007AW3Z6B050@pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for internals@lists.php.net; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.176] ([70.64.14.62]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JMW004803Z5NJV4@l-daemon> for internals@lists.php.net; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:30:40 -0600 In-reply-to: <46C48DE4.6020102@zend.com> To: Stanislav Malyshev Cc: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Gpgmail-State: !signed References: <46BE14B1.5050209@zend.com> <6094eac50708150709o6d1fe42bx3449af2bc1b7f54d@mail.gmail.com> <46C337F4.5080001@zend.com> <6094eac50708160540w4828a72aka2264dc69c69903@mail.gmail.com> <46C485C9.7000507@zend.com> <46C48DE4.6020102@zend.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP-DEV] Renaming namespaces to packages] From: sfl@scotfl.ca (scott lewis) On 16 Aug, 2007, at 1148, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> You can use zendspace. (Gregory) If you want me to get Johannes patch >> and convert it to zendspace, just tell me. > > So it goes like this: > PHP Group: "Good news everyone! PHP now has zendspaces!". > PHP users: "WTF???" PHP Group: "It's like a namespace -- but, you know, the PHP way." PHP users: "Awesome!" Alternately: PHP Group: "Good news everyone! PHP now has namespaces!". PHP users: "Awesome!" PHP users: "Wait.. WTF? These don't act like namespaces - where are the braces?" PHP users: "These act more like... Java packages. Why are they called namespaces?" I would suggest that the world at large will react in the same fashion as this list. Using a name already in use by the most popular programming language in the world is going to create the expectation that the feature works in the same way. Using a different name will not create that false expectation, nor the subsequent confusion. My $0.02 scott.