Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:31591 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 37818 invoked by uid 1010); 15 Aug 2007 19:05:42 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 37786 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 19:05:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 19:05:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 63.205.162.114 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 63.205.162.114 unknown Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [63.205.162.114] ([63.205.162.114:34218] helo=us-ex1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 31/00-37473-C5E43C64 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:05:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.16.180]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:03:47 -0700 Message-ID: <46C34E11.1020109@zend.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:03:45 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralph Schindler CC: Guilherme Blanco , PHP Internals References: <46BE14B1.5050209@zend.com> <101178402.20070814174515@marcus-boerger.de> <6094eac50708150709o6d1fe42bx3449af2bc1b7f54d@mail.gmail.com> <46C337F4.5080001@zend.com> <46C340D1.3070700@zend.com> <46C346D1.7090203@smashlabs.com> In-Reply-To: <46C346D1.7090203@smashlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2007 19:03:47.0123 (UTC) FILETIME=[01FF7030:01C7DF6F] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP-DEV] Renaming namespaces to packages] From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > PHP has namespaced package support. Yep, that's what I was talking about. "We have namespaces but we call it packages because Java does". Eek. > Wikipedia also define the term MVC. But alas, that is a conceptual > definition, not blueprints for implementation. Who cares about the implementation? It's still MVC. So let's implement MVC and call it "distributed enterprise messaging" and then let's spend next 2 years explaining that it was really MVC that we meant. > namespaces and packages. But the general taste this will leave in > peoples mouthes is package, even if it is a Grapple. I am still waiting to know what is package? I know what is namespace - and I for everybody that doesn't know I can explain it in 2 minutes with one hand tied behind my back. But what is "package"? > current implementation doesn't have braces; this (consequently) adds a Ouch, not braces again. What is it with braces that you need them so badly? Many languages aren't using the things ever, isn't it a proof that there's life outside braces? ;) > library "packages". Point in case is how the ZF has used a > pesudo-namespace-ing class name to accomplish the very same thing. ZF is using Very_Very_Long_And_Very_Irritating_Class_Names because there's no choice to do otherwise. That's why we wrote namespaces - to provide this choice. > +1 on package, it makes the most sense regardless of the marketing draw > of "namespace" support. Please re-read my mail on perception. "Marketing" here is just a way to say "perception" so it sounds bad to some people for some reason. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com