Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:31579 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11352 invoked by uid 1010); 15 Aug 2007 14:10:25 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11336 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2007 14:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Aug 2007 14:10:25 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=marcgear@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=marcgear@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 66.249.92.169 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: marcgear@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.249.92.169 ug-out-1314.google.com Received: from [66.249.92.169] ([66.249.92.169:20240] helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 50/00-11075-A1903C64 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:09:42 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id c2so189430ugf for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:09:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hz2KtVZFmyHluaN5gqceME7tXJxM+2jdRccgs2ZAy21eowpUqKcVu+GEldUtMnu8JkNZpnbZEE207lr5on3xdr4UtsIro6fe61AZAN5tL7/RtGykyNiwlWnrOp/tjDlKC23xpaStZJKtya6eJ5aNBXyByKxzX2BFOe1p5rEkZZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ADkU/uI9cjhFPAkBy69Svzy0UVDPOgd/w8U6vdtPhuUvyKQBbtzShGH6TTL8KsL0qg5ChsNITDfWF0gqK9M9QxmwRTF8+UNwSBY0Xq1JJH3LFfLuyCmaUe/olqB+CqFwHKYOXBDhxu82iijQpgia32FINAu4y9SCoIuiscgmg4c= Received: by 10.142.232.20 with SMTP id e20mr24251wfh.1187186955801; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.84.16 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6094eac50708150709o6d1fe42bx3449af2bc1b7f54d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:09:15 +0100 To: "PHP Internals" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46BE14B1.5050209@zend.com> <101178402.20070814174515@marcus-boerger.de> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [PHP-DEV] Renaming namespaces to packages] From: marcgear@gmail.com ("Marc Gear") FWIW I am for "namespaces" because: - the functionality mentioned most often as missing in PHP is 'namespaces'. People want 'namespaces' (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP#Criticism) - What they really want is no more clashing classes/functions/variables when they integrate third party apps (which the patch provides) - What they also want is no more clashing objects/functions when a new PHP extension becomes installed by default (Date anyone?) (which the patch provides) - PHP convention is one class-per-file, ergo, following convention would mean braces are not required anyway. - Dmitri gets the kudos for introducing PHPs most asked for feature, instead of 'packages' which no one has asked for. - The patch introduces naming spaces. at a per-file level. - Packages suggests a connection between folder structure and file contents of which there is none. Purely from a PR point of view, 'namespaces' is going to be a winner amongst users and 90% of people will wish for a braces implementation, while 'packages' is likely to generate more demands for something called 'namespaces' -- Marc Gear