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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Question about Namespace patch
From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

> Despite all the comments made on this list by countless people, it's still
> Stanislav's way or the highway. I don't want to sound negative but come

No it isn't. If you failed to make convincing argument on one particular 
case, it in no way means that I am deaf to any argument at all - it just 
means your particular argument didn't convince me as of yet.

> on... this is getting ridiculous. Stanislav, why don't you just tell
> everybody that you'll stop answering because the patch will stay AS IT IS
> over your dead body anyway ? I think you'll save us all some time.

Because it's not true. We consulted with many people before this 
proposal, and we got positive feedbacks from yet more people after we 
made this proposal. Of course, there are people that have different 
opinion. But there's a difference between discussing opinions and 
dismissing other's opinion as illogical brain-dead stubbornness. I think 
I took a lot of effort in explaining my position - in many cases much 
more than opposing side did, when some people pretty much summed up with 
"your proposal is crap, it's not like Java, so I have no use for it". I 
will continue to put an effort in explaining. I however would not change 
my position just because somebody feels sore when his argument turns out 
not be as persuasive as he thought it would be.

> This discussion is endless and not productive. I can't speak for anybody

Make it productive. Propose something productive. By that I mean a 
consistent concept that will be superior to existing one. Or at least a 
consistent amendment to existing concept that would improve it.

> here but I think a vote by all people who have commit access to php-src
> would clarify this issue once and for all so we can just move along.

I don't think these issues have to be decided by arithmetics. Of course, 
writing "+1" is much easier than spending a month on researching 
possible solution, considering all implications of each one and figuring 
out the optimal one - but I don't see any value in the former unless the 
latter was done. That doesn't mean expressing an opinion is to be 
discouraged - but there's more than sum of +1-es to make an informed 
decision that is going to influence PHP for years to come. I welcome 
everybody to make a contribution and discuss things - but please do not 
assume if you have an opinion everybody would agree.
-- 
Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect
stas@zend.com   http://www.zend.com/
(408)253-8829   MSN: stas@zend.com