Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:31197 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1735 invoked by uid 1010); 23 Jul 2007 15:43:47 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1719 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2007 15:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jul 2007 15:43:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tstarling@wikimedia.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tstarling@wikimedia.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain wikimedia.org from 66.111.4.26 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tstarling@wikimedia.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.111.4.26 out2.smtp.messagingengine.com Received: from [66.111.4.26] ([66.111.4.26:41057] helo=out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D3/41-27148-1BCC4A64 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:43:46 -0400 Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13AD6108 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:43:43 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: lbwkGFo1gXSG6vEKRr6NxQctGOLwBdhGhZZFdmutA7WL 1185205423 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (79-73-48-130.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [79.73.48.130]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA3E3D64 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46A4CCA5.9080608@wikimedia.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:43:33 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.2 OpenPGP: id=BF976370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: "No Feedback" in bug tracker From: tstarling@wikimedia.org (Tim Starling) A suggestion: allow anyone to reopen bugs marked "no feedback". Also allow anyone to switch a bug from "feedback" to "open". The PHP bug tracker could go a long way towards liberalisation. Community involvement seems to be actively discouraged. I'd like to see some more sweeping changes. But I'd be content with this small change for the time being. A common scenario is this: * Someone reports a bug * An admin couldn't be bothered to reproduce it themselves, so they slap a "use CVS snapshot" template on it, hoping it will go away * Sometimes the reporter will install a snapshot and confirm the bug, but more often, they couldn't be bothered. Sometimes other people watching the bug will immediately reproduce it with the snapshot and report their findings, but that doesn't stopped the bug being closed "no feedback". Sometimes someone will find the bug and reproduce it months later, but there is no procedure in place to have the bug reopened. There aren't even any relevant contact details available to draw the attention of admins to the bug that needs reopening. So my suggestion is to allow the community in general to review the "no feedback" designation. -- Tim Starling