Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:31051 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 47812 invoked by uid 1010); 18 Jul 2007 11:55:47 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 47797 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2007 11:55:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Jul 2007 11:55:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 212.112.227.169 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.112.227.169 ipx11223.ipxserver.de Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [212.112.227.169] ([212.112.227.169:60894] helo=ipx11223.ipxserver.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 28/53-23828-1CFFD964 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:55:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipx11223.ipxserver.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C71DF014C; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:55:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ipx11223.ipxserver.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (flottensignalgeber [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09056-09; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:55:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.46] (49-120.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.120.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ipx11223.ipxserver.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEF0DF013F; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:55:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <469DFFA8.7060903@pooteeweet.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:55:20 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Cc: Zeev Suraski , Andi Gutmans , Ilia Alshanetsky , jani.taskinen@iki.fi, internals@lists.php.net References: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE648191@us-ex1.zend.net> <54C4340A-D9EA-4B5A-B39C-B55B29B1B3BC@prohost.org> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE648193@us-ex1.zend.net> <469B7FB1.1070507@pooteeweet.org> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE648290@us-ex1.zend.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20070718023255.0dc0eed0@zend.com> <469DFDEC.6020903@pooteeweet.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by somedaemon at backendmedia.com Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] POSIX regex From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) Pierre wrote: > On 7/18/07, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> Zeev Suraski wrote: >> >> > Finally, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, we always >> need to >> > remember that BC breakage accumulates, and it's not binary. Every >> > cleanup we do in PHP 6 will further slow migration, and as Andi pointed >> > out a few days ago, things don't look too well as it is. >> >> Agreed, its not binary, but its also not the simple addition of all >> issues either. The effort does diminish as you can cover multiple BC >> breaks in one going over your code. The key thing that we screwed up >> with PHP 5.x was not providing enough documentation on the BC breaks. >> Doing this better this time (the migration guides are a good start, >> porting some major apps and documenting the issues is another) could >> help us easy the transition as well. But as you point out, there is the >> fixed overhead of having to do the QA'ing at any rate. > > What we really screwed up are the breakages _after_ 5.0, between 5.0 > and now. Every one expects changes and breakages between two major > major versions, no matter the language. True that ... the way E_STRICT was handled did not help either. Still looking forward to E_DEPRECATED. regards, Lukas