Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:31050 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45545 invoked by uid 1010); 18 Jul 2007 11:53:48 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 45530 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2007 11:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Jul 2007 11:53:48 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.146.178 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.146.178 wa-out-1112.google.com Received: from [209.85.146.178] ([209.85.146.178:17237] helo=wa-out-1112.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F0/F2-23828-C4FFD964 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:53:48 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id l24so193912waf for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:53:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KRf2XlrYJ7GWTdI6NNFIxB0UMNMisEACM3TkRpyCxlAv+nlUNejJPft6zFFCYVk36ff8gidhOAScIp/rf0hR/21EKmlkmCnJtdYIF9AEzWjQz4D3iPWGlgYp8O64PZghjKpv+p2oQwbastgVYRPYlRGv+dxDY3VHgAbI0I6jNa0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lpi5KazRTCrP3qurvJ2iKwa7ndZvuCTyb5N2PrLGUeQmJvk5mwSFQtZc6IeNJ/XQQaNE09FzbJDdwp1MktKGDdtpgP6seAgpfkprJsJwDULZqA93+YgB6p1cNIvhK6lA/cT5OyQss/Z6czMGOCODe0xpMTPw9dsK68zyZwpdqAo= Received: by 10.115.92.2 with SMTP id u2mr1387340wal.1184759625547; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.180.9 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:53:45 +0200 To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" Cc: "Zeev Suraski" , "Andi Gutmans" , "Ilia Alshanetsky" , jani.taskinen@iki.fi, internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <469DFDEC.6020903@pooteeweet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE648191@us-ex1.zend.net> <54C4340A-D9EA-4B5A-B39C-B55B29B1B3BC@prohost.org> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE648193@us-ex1.zend.net> <469B7FB1.1070507@pooteeweet.org> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE648290@us-ex1.zend.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20070718023255.0dc0eed0@zend.com> <469DFDEC.6020903@pooteeweet.org> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] POSIX regex From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre) On 7/18/07, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > Finally, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, we always need to > > remember that BC breakage accumulates, and it's not binary. Every > > cleanup we do in PHP 6 will further slow migration, and as Andi pointed > > out a few days ago, things don't look too well as it is. > > Agreed, its not binary, but its also not the simple addition of all > issues either. The effort does diminish as you can cover multiple BC > breaks in one going over your code. The key thing that we screwed up > with PHP 5.x was not providing enough documentation on the BC breaks. > Doing this better this time (the migration guides are a good start, > porting some major apps and documenting the issues is another) could > help us easy the transition as well. But as you point out, there is the > fixed overhead of having to do the QA'ing at any rate. What we really screwed up are the breakages _after_ 5.0, between 5.0 and now. Every one expects changes and breakages between two major major versions, no matter the language. --Pierre