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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] POSIX regex
From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans)

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Zeev Suraski wrote:

> At 00:21 17/07/2007, Pierre wrote:
> > 
> > On 7/16/07, Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com> wrote:
> > > I disagree with this view of the world.
> > 
> > Well, we seem to all agree on this view, but let forget this
> > unsignificant fact :)
> 
> I wanted to send my 2c even though I'm not really involved in internals@ any
> longer - because in reality it doesn't really have much to do with such
> decisions.  internals@ makes decisions that effect the entire PHP userbase.
> 
> We all need to remember that the people on this mailing list are not close to
> something that represents the userbase.  We do have some very opinionated
> people on this list, some of them with a lot of commit-karma - which are not
> very open to feedback from regular users.

This sounds like a broken record, this sounds like a broken record, this 
sounds like a broken record.  I've heard this so many times now, it 
get's boring. You seem to think that none of the people on the internals 
list are part of the user base - that is incorrect. Most of my opinions 
come forth out of my involvement with an extremely large code base. 

> I'm not saying I represent the PHP userbase, and I don't think Andi is 
> saying this either - but both of us try to take the end user's view 
> when we think about stuff like this, as opposed as the internals@ PHP 
> developer view.  I would go as far as saying that I think we do it (as 
> well as some others, like Rasmus) more so than some others on this 
> list.

Regarding the unicode on/off modes, I don't think you put yourself in 
the developer's view at all. Users are not going to be better of having 
to deal with both modes.

> For that reason I suspect that if you moved the discussion to, say,
> php-general - you'd see a much more balanced view of the world.

I really doubt that, as that list does not include many people that use 
PHP for internal projects. It's mostly the "geeks" that have time to 
discuss on the list. I know that *many* PHP users don't either know 
about this list, or simply can't be bothered with it.

> As for ereg - especially in light of the discontinuation of PHP 4 we 
> shouldn't even consider removing it in PHP 5.

I don't think anybody wanted to remove it in PHP 5 - just make it 
possible to disable as an extension.

regards,
Derick
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Derick Rethans
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