Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30815 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 73087 invoked by uid 1010); 12 Jul 2007 01:20:03 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 73072 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2007 01:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jul 2007 01:20:02 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ceo@l-i-e.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ceo@l-i-e.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain l-i-e.com from 67.139.134.202 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ceo@l-i-e.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.139.134.202 o2.hostbaby.com FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) (2) Received: from [67.139.134.202] ([67.139.134.202:1569] helo=o2.hostbaby.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B9/D9-05872-1C185964 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:20:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 97439 invoked by uid 98); 12 Jul 2007 01:20:04 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by o2.hostbaby.com (envelope-from , uid 1013) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (clamdscan: 0.88.7/3634. Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.098637 secs); 12 Jul 2007 01:20:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO l-i-e.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jul 2007 01:20:03 -0000 Received: from 24.1.37.132 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ceo@l-i-e.com) by www.l-i-e.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:20:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <2204.24.1.37.132.1184203203.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1181829227.3478.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7d5a202f0706141844l3c75b556hdbecbcd5a43747c9@mail.gmail.com> <4671F184.2020401@lerdorf.com> <6sof73dj69ldpspfc5ukrc58qr9ckbin2b@4ax.com> <4677E7B1.2080305@lerdorf.com> <4677F5FB.1070206@lerdorf.com> <4678252F.2050803@sci.fi> <46783212.4020900@lerdorf.com> <34654.216.230.84.67.1183064088.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <54557.78.61.224.253.1183098089.squirrel@avilys.eik.lt> <2159.24.1.37.132.1183693437.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <468DDFEB.3080404@zend.com> <47498.78.61.224.253.1183713764.squirrel@avilys.eik.lt> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:20:03 -0500 (CDT) To: "Andrei Zmievski" Cc: "Tomas Kuliavas" , internals@lists.php.net Reply-To: ceo@l-i-e.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6? From: ceo@l-i-e.com ("Richard Lynch") On Mon, July 9, 2007 1:41 pm, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > Once again, you're trying to work with bytes inside Unicode strings, > which just does not make sense. From our perspective, you've gone and changed a fundamental data structure out from under us, in a non-backwards-compatible way, and broken a whole bunch of working code, for a feature we don't use, and can't turn off [*] This is said without rancor nor animosity, but to explain why we (and many users) are going to have a very high wtf factor with this. * Assuming a shared-host environment budget and external factors make moving to a different host impossible. I think the PHP core developers frequently forget that there are a LOT of PHP developers/users out there with severe budget constraints that just don't have the kinds of resources you are presuming are available to "solve" the problems being created here... I can always find a host who will do what I want with enough effort, but a LOT of users will just give up on PHP 6 and stick with 5 (or 4 even) rather than do that... -- Some people have a "gift" link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So?