Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30702 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11815 invoked by uid 1010); 9 Jul 2007 22:26:22 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2007 22:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jul 2007 22:26:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=christopher.jones@oracle.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=christopher.jones@oracle.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain oracle.com from 148.87.113.118 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: christopher.jones@oracle.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 148.87.113.118 rgminet01.oracle.com Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [148.87.113.118] ([148.87.113.118:21475] helo=rgminet01.oracle.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0D/E1-32798-CA5B2964 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:24:51 -0400 Received: from rgmsgw01.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw01.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.51]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l69MOajQ001667; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:24:36 -0600 Received: from [130.35.71.6] (dhcp-5op3-5op4-east-130-35-71-6.us.oracle.com [130.35.71.6] (may be forged)) by rgmsgw01.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id l69MOYgZ020074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:24:35 -0600 Message-ID: <4692B5A3.9000702@oracle.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:24:35 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrei Zmievski CC: Antony Dovgal , Stanislav Malyshev , internals@lists.php.net References: <1181829227.3478.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4678252F.2050803@sci.fi> <46783212.4020900@lerdorf.com> <34654.216.230.84.67.1183064088.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <54557.78.61.224.253.1183098089.squirrel@avilys.eik.lt> <4684BB91.4070507@zend.com> <2169.24.1.37.132.1183693664.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <1183699755.14343.5.camel@johannes.nop> <7d5a202f0707060224oa64dfeaw2c7ee17a735648f9@mail.gmail.com> <468E1158.2030900@lerdorf.com> <468E13C6.1070109@pooteeweet.org> <468E2009.9000703@zend.com> <468E7180.3020709@zend.com> <468E7256.10905@zend.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6? From: christopher.jones@oracle.com (Christopher Jones) I also think we shouldn't backport features to PHP5. We should (i) keep PHP5 a stable release with a known feature set for developers to use. (ii) have a smaller code base to maintain in PHP5, reducing the overhead of merging. (iii) avoid exacerbating the future situation with uptake of PHP6 vs PHP5 that we now face with PHP5 vs PHP4. Chris Andrei Zmievski wrote: > And I think that we shouldn't, since it removes a big incentive for > people to move to PHP 6. > > Really, we need to get folks to use Unicode natively as much as > possible. It is the way of the future, and not some "obscure feature", > as some here have suggested. This kind of attitude is precisely why > we've had and continue to have such an internationalization mess when it > comes to building applications. > > -Andrei > > > On Jul 6, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Antony Dovgal wrote: > >> On 06.07.2007 20:44, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >>>> You don't by a Porsche if you need a taxi, why would you install >>>> PHP6 if you don't need Unicode? >>> Namespaces ;) >> This reason is only valid if we don't backport such things from PHP6 >> to PHP5 (5.3, 5.5 or whatever it would be), which I think we should do. >> >> --Wbr, Antony Dovgal -- Christopher Jones, Oracle Email: christopher.jones@oracle.com Tel: +1 650 506 8630 Blog: http://blogs.oracle.com/opal/ PHP Book: http://tinyurl.com/f8jad