Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30698 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 889 invoked by uid 1010); 9 Jul 2007 22:07:53 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 858 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2007 22:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jul 2007 22:07:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=antony@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=antony@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: antony@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:26735] helo=mail.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0E/40-32798-DA1B2964 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:07:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 29275 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2007 22:07:32 -0000 Received: from internal.zend.office (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (10.1.1.1) by internal.zend.office with SMTP; 9 Jul 2007 22:07:32 -0000 Message-ID: <4692B1A3.1000808@zend.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:07:31 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrei Zmievski CC: Stanislav Malyshev , internals@lists.php.net References: <1181829227.3478.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4678252F.2050803@sci.fi> <46783212.4020900@lerdorf.com> <34654.216.230.84.67.1183064088.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <54557.78.61.224.253.1183098089.squirrel@avilys.eik.lt> <4684BB91.4070507@zend.com> <2169.24.1.37.132.1183693664.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <1183699755.14343.5.camel@johannes.nop> <7d5a202f0707060224oa64dfeaw2c7ee17a735648f9@mail.gmail.com> <468E1158.2030900@lerdorf.com> <468E13C6.1070109@pooteeweet.org> <468E2009.9000703@zend.com> <468E7180.3020709@zend.com> <468E7256.10905@zend.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6? From: antony@zend.com (Antony Dovgal) On 10.07.2007 01:48, Andrei Zmievski wrote: > And I think that we shouldn't, since it removes a big incentive for > people to move to PHP 6. I don't really see much sense in forcing people to use PHP6 if we accept the "PHP5 = PHP6 - Unicode" formula. They are just different things, period. > Really, we need to get folks to use Unicode natively as much as possible. Andrei, I personally don't need Unicode at all. I know, that may sound weird, but that's true. > This kind of attitude is > precisely why we've had and continue to have such an > internationalization mess when it comes to building applications. What attitude are you talking about here? I'm trying to be honest with myself in the first place. Do _I_ like that horrible IS_STRING/IS_UNICODE mess we have atm? No. Do _I_ want to maintain this mess in the future just because of some bad design decision in the past? Noway, we had enough of that already. I would love to have clean and easy PHP6 without all the "compatibility", which creates gazillion problems to both users and developers. Please notice that I didn't call Unicode useless crap or whatever others may think about it, I just want PHP6 to be Unicode-only release because it would make my personal life much easier without complicating others' lives. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal