Newsgroups: php.internals
Path: news.php.net
Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30634
Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm
Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain garfieldtech.com from 63.240.77.81 cause and error)
To: internals@lists.php.net
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:06:49 -0500
User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6
References: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE5A8F68@us-ex1.zend.net> <b5f7bf6c0707081421m3aac5c43wd45a962078252449@mail.gmail.com> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE5A8FEF@us-ex1.zend.net>
In-Reply-To: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE5A8FEF@us-ex1.zend.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
  charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
Message-ID: <200707081906.49690.larry@garfieldtech.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4?
From: larry@garfieldtech.com (Larry Garfield)

I have to agree with Andi.  The GoPHP5 effort wanted to have a fairly 
aggressive timeline because its main target is projects and shared hosts, and 
if it was too far in the future no one would notice.  The involved projects 
also won't actually have their next feature release until later in the year 
some time.

The PHP dev team, however, has a different set of targets.  It has to include 
distros and business servers.  A longer warning period is sensible.

Which of course means that the sooner an EOL date is announced, the sooner PHP 
4 can be retired. :-)  Sometime next summer sounds reasonable, and I've no 
problem whatsoever with kitch dates[1]. 

[1] http://gophp5.org/faq#n9

On Sunday 08 July 2007, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> Because some of us don't believe 6 months is enough time for the broad
> market to make the move.
> One year is more suitable.
> As we already stated the message would already be strong today and
> people wouldn't wait until the year ends with an end-of-life coming up.
> Andi
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: david.coallier@gmail.com
> > [mailto:david.coallier@gmail.com] On Behalf Of David Coallier
> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:21 PM
> > To: Tomas Kuliavas
> > Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4?
> >
> > On 7/8/07, Tomas Kuliavas <tokul@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > > >>>> Well, then I guess we have no choice but to declare
> >
> > official PHP
> >
> > > >>>> 4 end-of-life to be on 8:08:08 pm too :) Now we only need to
> > > >>>> choose a suitable timezone :)
> > > >>
> > > >> Well, for us using the 24 hr clock I'd say 8:08:08 am (ante
> > > >> meridiem) as it otherwise will be 20:08:08 when we speak
> >
> > and write about this event.
> >
> > > > Except no real geek would schedule anything for 8am.
> > >
> > > Easy. Schedule it for 8am in China. Do it in Canada, UK or
> >
> > Israel. :)
> >
> >
> > What about 8/8/8 8pm in china and 01/01/08 Canada, UK, USA..
> > that way we can get rid of it quickly and if it's meaningful
> > for chinese people to use the number 8, we can do it on 8/8/8
> > for them (irony/joke) ?
> > Seriously.. I don't really see the point in keeping it for
> > another year.. imho end of the year is great and more than
> > enough time to upgrade, we've got to cut the cord sometimes..
> > why not keep it until
> > 9/9/9 since it's 6/6/6 upside down and means the devil.. the
> > end of things.. could also be the end of php4
> >
> > > --
> > > Tomas
> > >
> > > --
> > > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To
> >
> > unsubscribe,
> >
> > > visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> >
> > D
> >
> > --
> > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To
> > unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php


-- 
Larry Garfield			AIM: LOLG42
larry@garfieldtech.com		ICQ: 6817012

"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of 
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, 
which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to 
himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession 
of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it."  -- Thomas 
Jefferson