Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30588 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11051 invoked by uid 1010); 7 Jul 2007 13:01:03 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11035 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2007 13:01:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jul 2007 13:01:03 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jani.taskinen@sci.fi; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jani.taskinen@sci.fi; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain sci.fi from 63.208.196.171 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jani.taskinen@sci.fi X-Host-Fingerprint: 63.208.196.171 outbound.mailhop.org FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 Received: from [63.208.196.171] ([63.208.196.171:2485] helo=outbound.mailhop.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 15/6B-34028-78E8F864 for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:00:58 -0400 Received: from dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe68fb00-185.dhcp.inet.fi ([84.251.104.185] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I79u6-000Cu1-40; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:00:50 -0400 X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1+/rFvOy6CiUqwYe8ATCCfuwBWMkODXCpQ= X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 84.251.104.185 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18hioUZ3B6/BLJIgwMSrJ1aBPLoXYO1MMo= Message-ID: <468F8E8C.6080100@sci.fi> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:01:00 +0300 Reply-To: jani.taskinen@iki.fi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andi Gutmans CC: PHP Developers Mailing List References: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE5A8F68@us-ex1.zend.net> In-Reply-To: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE5A8F68@us-ex1.zend.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4? From: jani.taskinen@sci.fi (Jani Taskinen) Andi Gutmans wrote: > I'd suggest something close to what Rasmus suggested: > a) We make a clear statement on PHP.net that at the end of the year we > plan to discontinue bug fixes for PHP 4 except for security fixes. > b) We will discontinue supporting PHP 4 on 8/8/8 (because it sounds good > and gives people about a year). Gives a year? Nice. Suddenly we've got some kind of time machine here? :D It's weird that people think of releases like the thing suddenly vanishes from all servers it's installed on or it stops working altogether when we're just saying that we drop support for it. I wish that WAS possible...but unfortunately people still can install it from existing tar balls..and it will work just fine. > I also suggest to move PHP 4 downloads to the museum. I suggest though > to make a clear visible link from php.net/downloads.php to the museum > and make a clear statement that PHP 4 has moved (I am sure there are > still many who look for it for application compatibiity reasons). This to be done immediately? > A year may seem a long time but it isn't when a company has to port a > big application over. Also don't forget that one of the reasons so many Again, the existing installation won't stop working or vanish anywhere on the date we stop _support_ and don't release new versions of it.. :) --Jani