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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4?
From: tony@tonybibbs.com (Tony Bibbs)

FWIW this is very much in line with bigwigs like IBM and how they manage We=
bSphere releases (not that they are a model citizen but worth noting).   I =
personally see no problem with this but given how widespread PHP4 use is I'=
d recommend maybe pushing the date out 3 more months to the March '08 timef=
rame to give a bit more time for everybody to prepare.=0A=0A--Tony=0A=0A---=
-- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Guilherme Blanco <guilhermeblanco@gmail.co=
m>=0ATo: jani.taskinen@iki.fi=0ACc: Stanislav Malyshev <stas@zend.com>; PHP=
 Developers Mailing List <internals@lists.php.net>=0ASent: Friday, July 6, =
2007 12:28:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RIP PHP 4?=0A=0A+1=0A=0AI thought=
 you're doing it too late. PHP5 was released in 2004 and=0Auntil now the ad=
option is very slow. If you don't break PHP4 support=0Aand "force" companie=
s to update it to PHP5, the reason for existence=0Aof PHP5 is useless.=0AHa=
ve you ever asked yourselves... why? why PHP5's adoption is so bad?=0A=0AI =
have my arguments. One of them is because you keep mantaining PHP4=0Afor a =
long time.=0AIf you had "found a very dangerous issue in PHP4 that could no=
t be=0Aresolved without moving to PHP5", I think the adoption would be=0Agr=
eater. Information is everything and manipulating people's fears is=0Aa goo=
d way to force people to do what you want. As long as you "found"=0Athe iss=
ue, too many hosting companies would drop PHP4 support afraid=0Aof being ha=
cked.=0AOk, maybe I'm divagating too much, but you can't say that keeping P=
HP4=0Asupport is not one of the reasons for companies not update.=0A=0AMy s=
uggestion is that you notify everybody through a main php.net news=0Ainclus=
ion to update them that you will be killing PHP4 support at the=0Aend of th=
e year. It's good, clear and everyone knows you're already=0Aworking on ano=
ther version of PHP. So, why keep mantainance of 3 PHP=0Aversions?=0A=0ATha=
t's what I have to say. =3D)=0A=0A=0ACheers,=0A=0AOn 7/6/07, Jani Taskinen =
<jani.taskinen@sci.fi> wrote:=0A> So why keep supporting PHP 4 then?=0A>=0A=
> Stanislav Malyshev kirjoitti:=0A> >> I'd be more for dropping all support=
 whatsoever by the end of this=0A> >> year and focus totally on PHP 5/6. Cr=
itical security fixes are another=0A> >> issue altogether.=0A> >=0A> > We a=
lready are focused on 5/6. When the last time on the list was=0A> > anythin=
g php 4 discussed that wasn't security fix? Almost all the=0A> > discussion=
 now is PHP 5/6.=0A>=0A> --=0A> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mai=
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om=0AURL: http://blog.bisna.com=0AS=E3o Carlos - SP/Brazil=0A=0A=0A