Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30538 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43725 invoked by uid 1010); 6 Jul 2007 16:52:11 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43708 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2007 16:52:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jul 2007 16:52:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=wrowe@rowe-clan.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=wrowe@rowe-clan.net; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain rowe-clan.net from 64.202.165.95 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: wrowe@rowe-clan.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.202.165.95 smtpauth04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [64.202.165.95] ([64.202.165.95:37444] helo=smtpauth04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AA/19-50692-3E27E864 for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:50:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 16156 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2007 16:50:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.15.193.17) by smtpauth04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.95) with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2007 16:50:36 -0000 Message-ID: <468E72DB.6030903@rowe-clan.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:50:35 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vesselin Kenashkov CC: Tijnema , Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List References: <261daaa10707060751i25d3c5f8qee7e5da8de0b99a0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <261daaa10707060751i25d3c5f8qee7e5da8de0b99a0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Stuck on PHP 4? From: wrowe@rowe-clan.net ("William A. Rowe, Jr.") Vesselin Kenashkov wrote: > -1 > Because the majority of the installation (somebody two month ago in this > list mentioned that php 5 has just 10% adoption) is still php4 just > makes no sense to drop the support. This is a very old and tired argument, and pretty much is exactly where Apache httpd was, with respect to 1.3, at a similar timeframe. Folks find it to easy to stay with what they have installed. And even once 4.4 'ends', you will still have security patches (as mentioned) to keep them safe, if they even bother the patch/update. Adoption will be slow. But it doesn't justify leaving the developers dug in the sands trying to move changes back to 4.4. If they want the glitz, jazz and even the most up to date bug fixes, they'll have to come along for the ride. Take care of your *developers*, and your users will have a platform they can appreciate and enjoy. Focus on acting like a BigCo and you will sap the developers' time and energy.