Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30490 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 29050 invoked by uid 1010); 6 Jul 2007 10:57:22 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 29034 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2007 10:57:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jul 2007 10:57:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=antony@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=antony@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: antony@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:18116] helo=mail.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 37/72-01395-F002E864 for ; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:57:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 18101 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2007 10:57:16 -0000 Received: from internal.zend.office (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (10.1.1.1) by internal.zend.office with SMTP; 6 Jul 2007 10:57:16 -0000 Message-ID: <468E2009.9000703@zend.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:57:13 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Kahwe Smith CC: Rasmus Lerdorf , Derick Rethans , Cristian Rodriguez , internals@lists.php.net References: <1181829227.3478.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4678252F.2050803@sci.fi> <46783212.4020900@lerdorf.com> <34654.216.230.84.67.1183064088.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <54557.78.61.224.253.1183098089.squirrel@avilys.eik.lt> <4684BB91.4070507@zend.com> <2169.24.1.37.132.1183693664.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <1183699755.14343.5.camel@johannes.nop> <7d5a202f0707060224oa64dfeaw2c7ee17a735648f9@mail.gmail.com> <468E1158.2030900@lerdorf.com> <468E13C6.1070109@pooteeweet.org> In-Reply-To: <468E13C6.1070109@pooteeweet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6? From: antony@zend.com (Antony Dovgal) On 06.07.2007 14:04, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > To me it boils down how we want to maintain the "fork": > > 1) PHP5 and PHP6 > 2) PHP6 unicode off/on (with PHP5 in maintenance mode) > > Considering that people will not jump on PHP6 immediately anyways, I > think 1) is more realistic, if we make best efforts to back port new > features to PHP5, but still require that new features go into PHP6 > first. Some features might not get back ported and that is a somewhat > unfriendly nudge towards PHP6. So it goes. I tend to agree with this POV more and more. Especially considering this: -- > Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > >> So yes, the only real customers for this full Unicode mode in PHP 6 are >> going to be the folks that have full control over their servers and >> their software which will likely limit it to hosted services and exclude >> large PHP software packages that will necessarily need to be written to >> be portable. -- If we admit that we release a special PHP version for a very limited set of users then keeping that On/Off switch makes no sense to me. And it's not about choice, customers DO have a choice - either it's PHP5 (which will still be there for the next 10 years at the very least) or PHP6 aka Unicode PHP. You don't by a Porsche if you need a taxi, why would you install PHP6 if you don't need Unicode? New features? Let's just agree that we can (and definitely will) backport all the fancy looking new features from PHP6 to PHP5 and both these branches can live together happily. > This way the PHP6 code base stays lean and people can realistically code > against PHP6. Hosters will hopefully offer both PHP5 and PHP6. I doubt > that many hosters would be interested in offering 3 versions at once > (PHP5, PHP6 unicode on/off). -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal