Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30280 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 65044 invoked by uid 1010); 20 Jun 2007 11:06:22 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 65029 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2007 11:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Jun 2007 11:06:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jani.taskinen@sci.fi; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jani.taskinen@sci.fi; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain sci.fi from 63.208.196.171 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jani.taskinen@sci.fi X-Host-Fingerprint: 63.208.196.171 outbound.mailhop.org FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 Received: from [63.208.196.171] ([63.208.196.171:1740] helo=outbound.mailhop.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D5/74-13585-72A09764 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:06:16 -0400 Received: from cs136054.pp.htv.fi ([213.243.136.54] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1I0y0q-000NPO-Ez; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:06:12 -0400 X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/BgBakAMwPZTpjlh7S3vGqWhysI+wHoEA= X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 213.243.136.54 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX185gRdwWs5VAB0zWOOczTjud4MFlJI53I0= Message-ID: <46790A24.1080901@sci.fi> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:06:12 +0300 Reply-To: jani.taskinen@iki.fi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasmus Lerdorf CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <1181829227.3478.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7d5a202f0706141844l3c75b556hdbecbcd5a43747c9@mail.gmail.com> <4671F184.2020401@lerdorf.com> <6sof73dj69ldpspfc5ukrc58qr9ckbin2b@4ax.com> <4677E7B1.2080305@lerdorf.com> <4677F5FB.1070206@lerdorf.com> <4678252F.2050803@sci.fi> <46783212.4020900@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: <46783212.4020900@lerdorf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6? From: jani.taskinen@sci.fi (Jani Taskinen) Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Jani Taskinen wrote: >> Yesterday's decisions don't necessarily apply today. ;) >> (to be "agile") > > Fair enough, but it would be nice if the folks involved in the decision, > including yourself would then clearly state their reasoning for making, I think I've pretty clearly stated why I don't like the idea (anymore). > or at least supporting, the decision in the first place and then explain > what has changed to make you change your mind. What has changed is the fact that HEAD is becoming a mess (or already is). Separate tests for different modes, code duplication, etc. Maintaining all this is gonna be hell..and I'm not gonna volunteer doing it especially if it's totally unnecessary (IMO). > It comes down to predicting the future. Whichever way we go, the > decision is going to be second-guessed. If we have critical mass for a > clean BC break, then I am ok with it. For me personally it would make > things a bit easier, but I think it would be a long long time before we > saw any large hosts out there switch to a PHP 6 that can't run common > PHP 5 apps. To be totally honest, as long as nobody pays us to do something the way they want, we should do it exactly how WE want. After all, the group doing most of the work is Y! (or former Y!) people? (not to forget 1 or 2 Zend folks) The rest of us are not getting paid for this, like for example Ilia. We have an oportunity to finally get rid of the burden of past "mistakes" but lets not add any replacements for them. ;) --Jani