Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30275 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78780 invoked by uid 1010); 19 Jun 2007 20:17:27 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78764 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2007 20:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Jun 2007 20:17:27 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 204.11.219.139 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 204.11.219.139 mail.lerdorf.com Received: from [204.11.219.139] ([204.11.219.139:57479] helo=mail.lerdorf.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 44/3F-47650-5D938764 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:17:27 -0400 Received: from trainburn-lm.corp.yahoo.com (trainburn-lm.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.233.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.lerdorf.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-4) with ESMTP id l5JKHLEm002597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: <467839D0.2020301@lerdorf.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:17:20 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ilia Alshanetsky CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <1181829227.3478.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7d5a202f0706141844l3c75b556hdbecbcd5a43747c9@mail.gmail.com> <4671F184.2020401@lerdorf.com> <6sof73dj69ldpspfc5ukrc58qr9ckbin2b@4ax.com> <4677E7B1.2080305@lerdorf.com> <4677F5FB.1070206@lerdorf.com> <4678252F.2050803@sci.fi> <46783212.4020900@lerdorf.com> <21277473-1502-4F7E-9C3B-BE42C50DD7CB@prohost.org> In-Reply-To: <21277473-1502-4F7E-9C3B-BE42C50DD7CB@prohost.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.3/3467/Tue Jun 19 12:38:55 2007 on colo.lerdorf.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6? From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Sorry to interject, but just a quick slightly off topic note. > > In your earlier e-mail you've said that > > ----------------- > > I actually don't have a problem with 95% of PHP 6 installations turning > off Unicode support and this being the default setting for ISP's. > > Full Unicode support in an application is a big commitment and it will > take quite a bit of work. I just don't think that many people will > invest the time and effort into doing this, but at the same time there > will be large applications and services that have full control over > their server settings that will make use of it. Think Flickr, Yahoo, > Facebook, etc. > > ----------------- > > Since 95% of installations will not be using PHP6 (php6 without unicode > is pretty much a slower version php5) for whatever reason, > we need a common version for the other 95%. I think it is inevitable > that there will be 2 continually developed versions of PHP out there, > one for people who need unicode support in the way that is envisioned by > PHP6 and one for people who don't need it. Well, PHP is going to evolve and get more features and performance enhancements. Those are all going to go into PHP 6 and above. People stuck on PHP 5 won't see any of these, so I don't see PHP 6 without unicode as just a slower version of PHP 5. Namespaces and some of the other PHP 6 planned features are probably quite interesting to a number of people some of whom may not be interested in Unicode. -Rasmus