Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:30272 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 44192 invoked by uid 1010); 19 Jun 2007 19:44:27 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 44177 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2007 19:44:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Jun 2007 19:44:27 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 204.11.219.139 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 204.11.219.139 mail.lerdorf.com Received: from [204.11.219.139] ([204.11.219.139:48462] helo=mail.lerdorf.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0A/C9-47650-91238764 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:44:27 -0400 Received: from trainburn-lm.corp.yahoo.com (trainburn-lm.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.233.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.lerdorf.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-4) with ESMTP id l5JJiJQr029959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:44:19 -0700 Message-ID: <46783212.4020900@lerdorf.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:44:18 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jani.taskinen@iki.fi CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <1181829227.3478.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7d5a202f0706141844l3c75b556hdbecbcd5a43747c9@mail.gmail.com> <4671F184.2020401@lerdorf.com> <6sof73dj69ldpspfc5ukrc58qr9ckbin2b@4ax.com> <4677E7B1.2080305@lerdorf.com> <4677F5FB.1070206@lerdorf.com> <4678252F.2050803@sci.fi> In-Reply-To: <4678252F.2050803@sci.fi> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.3/3466/Mon Jun 18 23:21:58 2007 on colo.lerdorf.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] What is the use of "unicode.semantics" in PHP 6? From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) Jani Taskinen wrote: > Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> Uh, this was agreed upon by everyone involved in the design of the >> Unicode support. So saying I am the only one is extremely misleading. >> I may be the only one explaining why the decision was reached, but I am >> certainly not the only one in favour of it. > > Yesterday's decisions don't necessarily apply today. ;) > (to be "agile") Fair enough, but it would be nice if the folks involved in the decision, including yourself would then clearly state their reasoning for making, or at least supporting, the decision in the first place and then explain what has changed to make you change your mind. >> By not providing it, we ensure that a large number of people will not >> move to PHP 6. At least by providing it we give ourselves a chance. I > > Yes, you assume that this happens. I've got a hunch too that there will > be more PHP 6 user's than there ever where with PHP 5 by just thinking > how many asian, arabic, etc. people there are in the world..lot more > than western anyway. It comes down to predicting the future. Whichever way we go, the decision is going to be second-guessed. If we have critical mass for a clean BC break, then I am ok with it. For me personally it would make things a bit easier, but I think it would be a long long time before we saw any large hosts out there switch to a PHP 6 that can't run common PHP 5 apps. -Rasmus