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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:34:19 -0400
To: Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] better changeset tracking
From: sean@caedmon.net (Sean Coates)

I apologize in advance for jumping into this thread so late (finally  
trying to catch up on internals@).

FWIW, I'd also like to move to SVN, eventually (and inevitably (-: ).  
I've opposed this move for php.net in the past, but only because the  
proposals I was fighting were for a partial conversion (e.g. I was  
against moving /only/ phpdoc (and associated modules) to svn).

> Some of the things that would directly benefit the project:
+ svn:externals instead of CVSROOT/modules is much cleaner and more  
robust
+ sane hooks mechanism
+ sane svn output parsing for scripts
+ better and real (ie, not hacked on) support for users and ACLs
+ revision numbering (useful for some phpdoc tools)
+ SVN is (mostly) intuitive for CVS users. The process is nearly the  
same, and it's not a big shift like git or darcs, etc.
+ offline diff and status

> The big negatives are of course:
>  - We lose real tagging
~ sort of. We could restrict the subproject/tags ACL to release  
manager(s), and each commit gets a revision so that could serve as a  
"real" tag for people who want to (e.g.) tag "PRE-DOC-SPLIT".

>  - We will lose commit history on some files
+ ESPECIALLY for the ugly symlinks and moves from php-src to PECL.  
This is going to be a mess.

>  - The development process will be affected
+ Specifically, it's going to be a big pain to stop all commits while  
we do the switch, and then sync everyone up afterwards.

S