Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29937 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16345 invoked by uid 1010); 30 May 2007 06:18:09 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16329 invoked from network); 30 May 2007 06:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 May 2007 06:18:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=steph@zend.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=steph@zend.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com from 64.97.136.173 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: steph@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.97.136.173 smtpout0173.sc1.he.tucows.com Solaris 8 (1) Received: from [64.97.136.173] ([64.97.136.173:36509] helo=n082.sc1.he.tucows.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9E/43-24960-F171D564 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 02:18:09 -0400 Received: from foxbox (82.47.220.57) by n082.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) (authenticated as steph.fox) id 4630CFCB00284332; Wed, 30 May 2007 06:17:48 +0000 Message-ID: <004d01c7a282$58cac380$39dc2f52@foxbox> Reply-To: "Steph Fox" To: "Stanislav Malyshev" Cc: "Andi Gutmans" , "Rasmus Lerdorf" , "Wez Furlong" , "Ilia Alshanetsky" , "Edin Kadribasic" , "PHP Internals List" References: <4e89b4260705280856t47429e54ofcc182e02a6627e5@mail.gmail.com> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE3AFF97@us-ex1.zend.net> <465CFFF8.7070603@lerdorf.com> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE3AFFA2@us-ex1.zend.net> <001d01c7a27f$6d12bf80$39dc2f52@foxbox> <465D139D.2020107@zend.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:18:29 +0100 Organization: Zend Technologies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] better changeset tracking From: steph@zend.com ("Steph Fox") Hi Stas, > I used to think so, but my experience working with SVN on Framework shows > it's not that different, at least on the level I use it (and that'd be the > level most other people would use it I guess - > checkout/update/diff/commit). So if we talking learning curve, it's not > that different - svn up vs. cvs up :) I don't know though how (and if at > all possible) to port karma system, changelog, etc. but that's admin stuff > already. It's different if you're someone who doesn't really know what a CVS is and just uses the tool mechanically. That's probably most of the translation teams, some of the documentation teams, a fair proportion of the PEAR and smarty folk.... It's a new tool. Windows-based docs people need to use cygwin to generate a test build on their home pc, so it's a fair bet that most of them will be using commandline cvs without actually understanding it. For svn they'll all be downloading something else they don't really understand (or need to), but that's intimidating for doze people - usually downloading anything via cygwin means downloading about another 8 things that you've no idea about (dependencies). It's actually easier for the coding teams because they can just use tortoisesvn... Anyway this is 'future talk' so I'll stave off the panic for now :) - Steph