Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29684 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 39722 invoked by uid 1010); 23 May 2007 07:24:46 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 39707 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 07:24:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 May 2007 07:24:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.143 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.143 c2bthomr11.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.143] ([213.123.20.143:26850] helo=c2bthomr11.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 70/00-39193-E2CE3564 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 03:24:35 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by c2bthomr11.btconnect.com with ESMTP id CUP81804; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:24:21 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4653EC3F.8000901@lsces.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:24:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070222 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <139872287.20070504170744@marcus-boerger.de> <736AED54-1272-4924-A07D-3166A1742A2F@prohost.org> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE2FEF72@us-ex1.zend.net> <463EDD0B.7080300@lsces.co.uk> <4e89b4260705222133y185892bdie46be2e78a2e471b@mail.gmail.com> <4653DF96.9070201@lsces.co.uk> <4653E1D2.7040109@pooteeweet.org> In-Reply-To: <4653E1D2.7040109@pooteeweet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr11.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090201.4653EC28.0075,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=127.0.0.1, so=2006-12-09 10:45:40, dmn=5.3.10/2007-02-21 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3 From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > Lester Caine wrote: > >> PDO simply changes the ground rules without solving any particular >> problem as has been said all along. Now you may well convince people >> that all the native drivers should be dropped from PHP and only PDO >> supplied but I hope that does not happen and that we have a PROPER >> debate on an abstract database layer. > > One of the dream features back in the early days of PDO was a way to get > a "native extension" connection out of PDO. Unfortunately this turned > out to be impossible(?) to do :( I don't think the target is unrealistic, I just think the structure of PDO is the wrong starting point. But then I am happy working with ADOdb so perhaps I'm coming from the wrong side. The projects I'm working with run on a selection of databases out of the box without any difficulty - and don't need PDO to do so, so there is no incentive to change. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://home.lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://home.lsces.co.uk MEDW - http://home.lsces.co.uk/ModelEngineersDigitalWorkshop/ Firebird Foundation Inc. - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php