Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29606 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6430 invoked by uid 1010); 21 May 2007 07:47:37 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6415 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 07:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 May 2007 07:47:37 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=indeyets@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=indeyets@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.132.248 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: indeyets@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.132.248 an-out-0708.google.com Received: from [209.85.132.248] ([209.85.132.248:33928] helo=an-out-0708.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5E/81-30777-79E41564 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 03:47:35 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d31so356149and for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:47:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S5JmXZUORBltqZCFsvF4rFf0+4BcLz01U/0wVOTLPR96qv+O3V5ADKJZr8xw7W3DO1wYxLXh9YEXefc/vS5XSp1iY6aaG9cW01Sg2iFGuc+Mq3TunkMWDki3Q0k7on9FhZ3RtSmjZfcjcBVnjeHooA3LdUt7z47w8uB7bgBGcN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jEItXmlKYMK4aOHdgj/RdUaA3YC4sVZFVuAuZ04OFRWUTQ5Gutisrjv8Eo9DvDFFd8xw011TYGY+eVsys5gOS8Vt/89qg4CUUZ3Va1C3dSplmrt+pIhrzGyJgXayv4aS6aVnUiXLdg7wpuGojul+Kpq6ArlzsmDEfstGKzcgXYY= Received: by 10.100.211.11 with SMTP id j11mr2806337ang.1179733653234; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.110.15 with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:47:33 +0400 To: "Stanislav Malyshev" Cc: "Stefan Esser" , David , internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <465149FE.4070100@zend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <465022BE.1020905@hardened-php.net> <7d5a202f0705201415s71982fd2jb61b8bffbb7ba6de@mail.gmail.com> <46513546.5000303@zend.com> <7d5a202f0705202303s2ff4d0cdg1157c1e245c3c2e4@mail.gmail.com> <46513745.7030701@zend.com> <000001c79b71$543e0970$fcba1c50$@com> <46513E93.5000902@hardened-php.net> <465140BE.8050502@zend.com> <4651454B.4080000@hardened-php.net> <465149FE.4070100@zend.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Dismantling the lies... From: indeyets@gmail.com ("Alexey Zakhlestin") the problem is, that, in this case, code is not broken. it is not an error to use large stack. it is an error to let someone use the low-level side-effects of a problem in a high-level language. On 5/21/07, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > > Well yes. I think to solve this "once and for all" a public statement by > > the PHP group would be nice that says: > > I don't think they are "not important", just that they are not important > enough to want them fixed no matter the cost. Running shared hosted > server in a mode that relies on restricted code IMO is wrong anyway, and > for non-shared environment these problems could be exploited only if > specifically enabled by very badly written code. So when there's a > trade-off between having the language work better for 100% of cases or > protect those who run broken code on their servers - the choice would be > to make language run better. Again, that doesn't mean bugs shouldn't be > fixed - just the fix shouldn't make the situation worse. > -- > Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer > stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- Alexey Zakhlestin http://blog.milkfarmsoft.com/