Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29605 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 94188 invoked by uid 1010); 21 May 2007 07:28:16 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 94172 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 07:28:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 May 2007 07:28:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 63.205.162.114 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 63.205.162.114 unknown Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [63.205.162.114] ([63.205.162.114:26293] helo=us-ex1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 83/31-20243-80A41564 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 03:28:13 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.17.30]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 May 2007 00:28:04 -0700 Message-ID: <465149FE.4070100@zend.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 00:27:58 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Esser CC: David , internals@lists.php.net References: <465022BE.1020905@hardened-php.net> <7d5a202f0705201415s71982fd2jb61b8bffbb7ba6de@mail.gmail.com> <46513546.5000303@zend.com> <7d5a202f0705202303s2ff4d0cdg1157c1e245c3c2e4@mail.gmail.com> <46513745.7030701@zend.com> <000001c79b71$543e0970$fcba1c50$@com> <46513E93.5000902@hardened-php.net> <465140BE.8050502@zend.com> <4651454B.4080000@hardened-php.net> In-Reply-To: <4651454B.4080000@hardened-php.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2007 07:28:04.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[9205CBF0:01C79B79] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Dismantling the lies... From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > Well yes. I think to solve this "once and for all" a public statement by > the PHP group would be nice that says: I don't think they are "not important", just that they are not important enough to want them fixed no matter the cost. Running shared hosted server in a mode that relies on restricted code IMO is wrong anyway, and for non-shared environment these problems could be exploited only if specifically enabled by very badly written code. So when there's a trade-off between having the language work better for 100% of cases or protect those who run broken code on their servers - the choice would be to make language run better. Again, that doesn't mean bugs shouldn't be fixed - just the fix shouldn't make the situation worse. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/