Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29597 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72615 invoked by uid 1010); 21 May 2007 06:34:43 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72600 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 06:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 May 2007 06:34:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 63.205.162.114 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 63.205.162.114 unknown Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1 Received: from [63.205.162.114] ([63.205.162.114:25958] helo=us-ex1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DC/F9-05892-28D31564 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 02:34:43 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([192.168.17.30]) by us-ex1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 20 May 2007 23:34:39 -0700 Message-ID: <46513D77.3090103@zend.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:34:31 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cristian Rodriguez CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <465022BE.1020905@hardened-php.net> <7d5a202f0705201415s71982fd2jb61b8bffbb7ba6de@mail.gmail.com> <46513546.5000303@zend.com> <7d5a202f0705202303s2ff4d0cdg1157c1e245c3c2e4@mail.gmail.com> <46513745.7030701@zend.com> <7d5a202f0705202321w3a4ab7eeu7960675d6af5c08b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d5a202f0705202321w3a4ab7eeu7960675d6af5c08b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2007 06:34:39.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BD32D30:01C79B72] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Dismantling the lies... From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) > the vast mayority of users will be happy with a more secure system and > will like accept a 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1% slowdown in case it is slow.. Sure, if only we knew that's not 10% slowdown. > I sometimes wonder what it is real target of PHP, the masses or a > selected neglible group of users that requires extreme craze > performance.. Who is "the masses"? Almost everybody I know isn't the masses and is concerned about performance in production. And performance hits are cumulative - ignore 1% performance hit 10 times and you have 10% at least... > maybe I can check that tomorrow.. but you can also run it by yourself :P I can. Independent verification could be useful though. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/