Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29554 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 17696 invoked by uid 1010); 19 May 2007 13:42:11 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 17681 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 13:42:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 May 2007 13:42:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=kingwez@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=kingwez@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 66.249.92.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: kingwez@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 66.249.92.170 ug-out-1314.google.com Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [66.249.92.170] ([66.249.92.170:1064] helo=ug-out-1314.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7A/6E-00717-2BEFE464 for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:42:11 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so591698uge for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:42:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pHV3ER6AEgB5MXs90cY1Lleg840O7uR3sbywy49EScI1DORYtJcOh7SkI7YLpxT9wdQRqPxKloA6SbmuUxHuBnHsQVTede6KoHTig+fBopPDG1giHacSuGZAEwE9RnNsLVTJ6C3sALc1LNSevXBPBHQ6tnJsCr22sd1t1xvJWCg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TQhUZ213d0MOm9QYIAsKD0l18mJPuQaaBDccLCrd/0EVtJQAsapfUKFdsOQtYA9OxXUplu6lQuMZaXAmg4+/p+wm2PxprYjH839TrZmHwjIN0c2XDMALI7WP07/dDq9cuDfCXkL/LO1UjdBE9vJTGKbzxPch2a8AVXgf1pKxj5o= Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr1877781ugh.1179582127247; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.227.10 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4e89b4260705190642r20eab7d6re0b53e31ffe93ded@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:42:07 -0400 To: "Antony Dovgal" Cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <464ED249.50104@zend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1082866338.20070516162127@marcus-boerger.de> <8FD619A8-95B6-48BD-B921-0ED6DBBF48FF@gravitonic.com> <003201c798d1$622c3680$4301a8c0@foxbox> <7d5a202f0705171621l270bd0a2p47d315b6e0e05e2b@mail.gmail.com> <4e89b4260705180626w146f4f70heaf664bec9b734c7@mail.gmail.com> <464DB08C.5050107@zend.com> <4e89b4260705181923k6114e5fbg593217fa526cdebc@mail.gmail.com> <464ED249.50104@zend.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Preview From: kingwez@gmail.com ("Wez Furlong") My point is, you can't assign stuff to someone that you know is busy, without asking them, and then expect to be justified when you complain that they haven't done anything. Andrei's point was, you can't keep telling someone that you're doing something, and then get uppity when everyone is waiting on you to get it done after no visible progress. There is a distinction. With regards to the bugs assigned to me, as I just said, there are other maintainers that can work on them, and I don't appreciate being singled out here, *again* (I remember the last retarded thread about dropping COM support...), when it is known that a) I am busy, and b) there are other people that have volunteered to work on these areas. If you guys need my help on a specific problem, drop me a line and I can try to squeeze in some time to look at it. Assigning bugs to me and getting angry about it is your problem, not mine. --Wez. On 5/19/07, Antony Dovgal wrote: > On 19.05.2007 06:23, Wez Furlong wrote: > > On 5/18/07, Antony Dovgal wrote: > >> I can see 47 open bug reports assigned to you (this is bugs.php.net only, there are also 25+ bug reports in PECL). > >> Most of the reports are COM, PDO or streams related. Do you still maintain these extensions? > >> > >> If no, please say so, we'll start looking for new maintainers. > > > > With respect Tony, I think you're being somewhat dickish here. > > I'd be totally fine with you saying that if I had actually assigned > > those bugs to myself, but I didn't. > > Most of the reports are assigned by other people, that's how it works. > > > It's pretty clear that I've been too busy to work on those bugs, but > > that's fine; we have other people (also maintainers) that are > > perfectly capable of working on them too. > > > > It's this kind of sniping that PHP can really do without. > > Don't get me wrong, Wez. > You know that we got along very good for a long time and I'd still like to continue working with you. > > But the current situation with PDO is really annoying - the extension which was > supposed to be one of the main PHP5 features (and the idea was brilliant, that's true) > is in terrible state - no support, tens of open bugs (still open for months) and you don't seem to care. > Same for COM and openssl (thanks to Pierre, it's changed recently). > > Yeah, I know very well that you're busy. So are all of us. And that's understandable. > But if you are busy and not going to maintain PDO, let's do the right thing - step up and say: > "I won't do it anymore, does anybody want to take it over?" > > It's not about you personally, the very same situation we have with several other extensions: > ext/session, ext/wddx, ext/ftp, their authors are either gone or just don't care. > Who supports ext/xmlrpc nowadays? Those weird SAPIs for toy web-servers? Nobody. > They are still "maintained", but the quotes change the meaning to "forgotten". > > I just want to clarify this situation - either the maintainers are temporarily busy and will > continue working on their extensions or they have to admit that they won't do it anymore, > we'll mark the extensions as orphaned and start looking for other maintainers. > > > One of the points that Andrei was trying to make was that if you > > really don't have time for something, you should say so, so that other > > people that do have the time can step forward and help out. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > You said it yourself. > > -- > Wbr, > Antony Dovgal >