Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:29505 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53231 invoked by uid 1010); 17 May 2007 22:32:32 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53216 invoked from network); 17 May 2007 22:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 May 2007 22:32:32 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=antony@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=antony@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.162 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: antony@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.162 mail.zend.com Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from [212.25.124.162] ([212.25.124.162:60420] helo=mail.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5C/50-10325-EF7DC464 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 18:32:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 30534 invoked from network); 17 May 2007 22:32:27 -0000 Received: from internal.zend.office (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (10.1.1.1) by internal.zend.office with SMTP; 17 May 2007 22:32:27 -0000 Message-ID: <464CD7F9.5060808@zend.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 02:32:25 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steph Fox CC: Andrei Zmievski , Pierre , Marcus Boerger , internals@lists.php.net, Andi Gutmans , Dmitry Stogov References: <1082866338.20070516162127@marcus-boerger.de> <852842D7-B7AB-4BD5-A342-0D5DB0E7ABBC@gravitonic.com> <9DA317BF-24B5-4BFE-8B66-FC8F4D755872@gravitonic.com> <8FD619A8-95B6-48BD-B921-0ED6DBBF48FF@gravitonic.com> <003201c798d1$622c3680$4301a8c0@foxbox> In-Reply-To: <003201c798d1$622c3680$4301a8c0@foxbox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 Preview From: antony@zend.com (Antony Dovgal) On 18.05.2007 02:19, Steph Fox wrote: > Please, guys, take this argument off list if you want to continue it at all. Yeah. > The main point Andrei tried to make was lost in that argument. PHP 6 needs > commitment from everybody involved, somewhere along the line, and we all - > even hangers-on like me - need to know that someone _will_ step up to make > filtering possible if we're to believe in PHP 6 ever happening. > > Johannes and Tony both made good points. There are still issues with > streams, but more - there are real problems in the way that PHP_5_2 is seen > by many devs as the current development branch. > > There needs to be a sitting-back, at some point, and a 'where are we up to?' > moment. Lukas has done his utmost to provide that already, but it hasn't > changed anything that way. I'm still watching commits to PHP_5_2 that are > never merged to HEAD, and not only in ext/pdo. I hope you write them down, so that we can beat up the guilty person^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H keep track of them. > You still need to beat the Perl 6 release folks ;) but maybe pushing too > hard isn't the way to go about it... I don't know. I just know the > commitment hasn't been made yet for it to happen. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal